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Old 30-April-2008, 11:56 PM
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Resistor, inductor, capacitor, memristor!
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The new component is called a memristor, or memory resistor. Up until today, the circuit element had only been described in a series of mathematical equations written by Leon Chua, who in 1971 was an engineering student studying non-linear circuits.
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Resistor, inductor, capacitor, memristor!
It's a pity that the article does not actually describe this memristor (I mean the actual device they built).

But shouldn't the diode be included in the list of circuit elements?
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Why do scientists nowadays come up with these unpronounceable names? Sounds like something conjured up by the dark arts of marketing.

Anyway, well done, good job.

P.S. Papageno, I think the article explains it. It's actually quite interesting, and relates to certain other threads currently active in this forum.

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Up until today, the circuit element had only been described in a series of mathematical equations written by Leon Chua, who in 1971 was an engineering student studying non-linear circuits. [...] Unfortunately, neither he nor the rest of the engineering community could come up with a physical manifestation that matched his mathematical expression.

Thirty-seven years later, a group of scientists from HP Labs has finally built real working memristors, thus adding a fourth basic circuit element to electrical circuit theory, one that will join the three better-known ones: the capacitor, resistor and the inductor.
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...P.S. Papageno, I think the article explains it...
I was satisfied with the articles explaination too. But; I think Papageno was thinking more along the lines of how it is built, or what it is made of, or what technology they had to overcome to do it.

Anyway, I think I've had a memory resistor in my head for over 4 decades.
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it "remembers the amount of charge flowing through it"---isn't that kind of like, "my speed is 60 miles"?
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it "remembers the amount of charge flowing through it"---isn't that kind of like, "my speed is 60 miles"?
I took it more as "Last time I drove, I went 60, so I now can't exceed 60"
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I think you missed the point--it's a complaint about poor journalism and misuse of terminology.
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I think you missed the point--it's a complaint about poor journalism and misuse of terminology.
I guess I did...
I'm not as deep into the technology as many here, so maybe there's some technobabble that I don't see.

Plus; the fact that it's a blog site kind of squelches any of my expectations of professional journalism even if an individual article is written by a professional.
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But; I think Papageno was thinking more along the lines of how it is built, or what it is made of, or what technology they had to overcome to do it.
Exactly: I am interested in the nuts and bolts of the actual, physical memristor.

As soon as I can, I am going to check out Nature.
EDIT to add: news story in Nature.
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From the abstract in Nature, the actual device involves ionic transport. That is, when the voltage is applied not only electrons but also atoms move around.
Considering how slow atoms are compared to electrons, my physical intuition can grasp why there would be a memory effect
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Well, I guess it's common to mix up units--I recall a speech by a businessman, I forgot who, who was often asked, "how much money do you make?"--an informal way of saying "how many dollars per year"--but he always, just to illustrate that the proper unit is money per time, not just money, would reply, "$11,000". He'd wait a few seconds, then add, "per minute."
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when are we going to get neon colored glass chips like they used on the starship Enterprise?
whenever there is a problem, all we'd have to do is swap a few random chips around to reverse the polarity of something or other..
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when are we going to get neon colored glass chips like they used on the starship Enterprise?
whenever there is a problem, all we'd have to do is swap a few random chips around to reverse the polarity of something or other..
Or wave some "tool" with blinking lights over it...
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But shouldn't the diode be included in the list of circuit elements?
The three mentioned - inductor, capacitor and resistor - are basic circuit devices. Think of them as fundamental units. Are you suggesting that diode operation cannot be expressed in terms of those three?
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How do you express a diode's operation in terms of those three? I have no immediate proof, but suspect it's impossible.
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In my opinion there are a hundred more or less distinct circuit elements, including several variations on the resistor, such as the varistor and thermistor. We can sort of represent a diode at dc and low frequencies as a special resistor. A diode has several million ohms at voltages below 1/10 volt. and up to about 1200 volts in one direction; In the neighborhood of 20 ohms, at one volts in the forward direction. Like a resistor, failure is likely if you exceed the watt-second rating in either direction.
Many of the circuit elements are used rarely such as the tunnel diode, the carbon arc, battery, magnetron and ionized gas tube. Neil
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In my opinion there are a hundred more or less distinct circuit elements, including several variations on the resistor, such as the varistor and thermistor.
I believe the article was referring to basic circuit elements. Variations of a resistor are just that, variations. I suspect most, if not all, of your hundred or more elements use some combination of the principles of inductance, capacitance and resistance.
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But shouldn't the diode be included in the list of circuit elements?
The three mentioned - inductor, capacitor and resistor - are basic circuit devices. Think of them as fundamental units. Are you suggesting that diode operation cannot be expressed in terms of those three?
No, what I am saying is that if the memristor cannot be modelled in terms of those three elements, then neither should be the diode or other non-linear elements.
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No, what I am saying is that if the memristor cannot be modelled in terms of those three elements, then neither should be the diode or other non-linear elements.
Why has no one mentioned the transitor, or have we thrown that out with the vacuum tube?

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