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Old 15-May-2008, 07:42 PM
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Default Wave-particle duality... of traffic

When a car travels down a road, it is a particle. But I have this idea that when the traffic on the road becomes dense enough, it begins to behave as a fluid, a compressible fluid. My idea is that we can observe pressure waves moving through the traffic. If a slow down occurs at any point, it is like slamming shut a well. A pressure wave moves out from it causing slows down further back in the traffic long after the original cause of the slow down is gone.
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Old 15-May-2008, 08:00 PM
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You're not the first. I think this is an emerging view: emergent phenomena.

This individual has a bunch of pages about it: Science Hobbyist.

Physorg: Traffic jam mystery solved by mathematicians

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The result of this is that several miles back, cars would finally grind to a halt, with drivers oblivious to the reason for their delay. The model predicts that this is a very typical scenario on a busy highway (above 15 vehicles per km). The jam moves backwards through the traffic creating a so-called ‘backward travelling wave’, which drivers may encounter many miles upstream, several minutes after it was triggered.
New Scientist: Shockwave traffic jam recreated for first time

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The mathematical theory behind these so-called "shockwave" jams was developed more than 15 years ago using models that show jams appear from nowhere on roads carrying their maximum capacity of free-flowing traffic – typically triggered by a single driver slowing down.
After that first vehicle brakes, the driver behind must also slow, and a shockwave jam of bunching cars appears, travelling backwards through the traffic.
The theory has frequently been modelled in computer simulations, and seems to fit with observations of real traffic, but has never been recreated experimentally until now.
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You're not the first. I think this is an emerging view: emergent phenomena.

This individual has a bunch of pages about it: Science Hobbyist.
Nope, not new at all. We used traffic as an example of nonlinear wave effects in my math methods class
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There have been several articles published in Physical Review and Physical Review Letters using physics principles to try and understand traffic flow. Go to the PRL website and do a search on "traffic" and "car" and you'll pull up a whole bunch. One of the more interesting ones is Gas-Kinetic-Based Traffic Model Explaining Observed Hysteretic Phase Transition (PRL 81 3402-3404) from 1998. This model looks at phase transitions in traffic flow as a function of density and speed. Quite cool IMO.
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In addition to the comments of others, I want to point out that this is not what is usually meant by "Wave-particle duality". All fluids that we normally deal with are actually made up of particles--atoms and molecules. The wave/particle duality of objects like the photon are a completely different animal (or plant, I'm not sure).
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Right-- in particular, wave/particle duality allows the wave formulation to explain the motion of single particles in the absence other particles. That obviously would not apply to traffic.
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I've also thought about this problem many times, mostly while sitting in traffic. I've even tried to do something about it, by leaving a little extra space and modulating my acceleration and braking so I don't have to come to a stop even though the cars in front of me do. Not usually very successful as the extra space generally just inspires someone to cut in, causing me to jam the brakes!
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Which is why I try to limit lane changes when I am in heavy traffic. As long as I moving generally with the flow, I see no reason to cheat for a few seconds gained immediately and several minutes lost when traffic jams up.
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If traffic truly had wave/particle duality, that could be useful. Say you didn't know if you should turn left or right. Just do both! When some of you figures out you reached the intended destination, collapse the waveform and all of you is now there.
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Which is why I try to limit lane changes when I am in heavy traffic.
And the catch-22 is that it is frequent lane changing that causes many slow downs in the first place.

Learning to drive in Los Angeles, I quickly became familiar with the concept of traffic waves. And it was quite interesting to discern that they move in the opposite direction as the cars are moving.
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