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Old 27-May-2008, 09:37 PM
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Cool Archaeologists discover statues of Cleopatra, Aphrodite

"An alabaster head of Cleopatra and a mask thought to belong to her lover Mark Antony have been found near Egypt's Mediterranean city of Alexandria, antiquities chief Zahi Hawass said on Monday." Middle East Times
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This is what I get for forgeting to visit Zahi's website for a month!
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I remember seen a doucmentary on this archaeological dig of a workers city of the people that built the pyramids. Turns out they had a better health plan then is typically thought. Anyway, Zahi Hawas was frequently interviewed, and he has a wonderful voice.
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Old 29-May-2008, 08:55 AM
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Funny thing is i read that they had potentially found the tomb of Cleopatra and Marcus Antonius in some article and it mentioned Cleopatra as "beautiful". Everything I;ve read on the fall of the Republic era says she was actually very plain; polite language for ugly.

It is a modern myth she was beautiful. Beguiling, intelligent maybe but she was apparently no looker.
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There are coins with her profile, where she is often portrayed as a middle-aged matron with a generous nose. This is not what we'd call beautiful, at least in our culture. But I guess it's possible that she was more of a looker when she was younger (when she met Julius Caesar). In any case, attractiveness is not just about physical looks.
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Yeah, being queen of Egypt helps.
Did you know that Julius Caesar had a comb over?
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Old 30-May-2008, 03:49 AM
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Plutarch himself wrote that she was nothing to look at, yet was famously charming...if I were a time traveller, she'd be near the top of the "to-see" list.
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Old 30-May-2008, 09:16 AM
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It'd be nice to finally have a good likeness of Cleopatra. I saw a show a while back, Digging for the Truth possibly, that showed a statue that was though to be her but it wasn't definite. Too bad the article didn't include a picture of the finds.

No she doesn't appear to have been that good looking but there must have been something about her that powerful men liked.
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If I read the article correctly, the statue of Cleopatra is headless.
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Well there is a picture of a bust of ol' Cleo in her wikipedia article. From what I understand, these things are fairly accurate, so no ,she wasn't the most beautiful thing to sprout legs, in this males opinion anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cleopatra_Bust.jpg
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It'd be nice to finally have a good likeness of Cleopatra.
Finding one bust will not be the end of the story. You have to remember that portraits can vary according to the artist. Do you have any idea how many different busts there are of Antinous, for example? One historian I read described them as "ranging from the sublime to the banal", or something similar.
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I'm certainly plain, but not exactly hideous.
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If I read the article correctly, the statue of Cleopatra is headless.
It took me a while to figure out too. I think it means:

The two treasures (the head and mask), and a bronze statue of Goddess Aphrodite and a headless royal statue from the Ptolemaic dynasty, which ruled Egypt between 323 and 30 BC, were discovered by a joint Egyptian-Dominican Republic team of archeologists in the Tapsiris Magna temple, Hawass said.
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Finding one bust will not be the end of the story.
Well sure, you'd need a few to compare with but at least we'd have something. I guess the one ravens' cry linked can be compared to this one and we'll see. Although if everything I've heard is true, if this one makes her look good it'd be inaccurate.

Anyway, I find the discovery of new old stuff quite exciting. I wish I'd have grown up to be a archaeologist.
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There are coins with her profile, where she is often portrayed as a middle-aged matron with a generous nose. This is not what we'd call beautiful, at least in our culture. But I guess it's possible that she was more of a looker when she was younger (when she met Julius Caesar). In any case, attractiveness is not just about physical looks.

She had power.

She had the appropriate genital configuration.

She was willing to use both to get what she wanted.

Looks are pretty extraneous at that point.
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She had power.

She had the appropriate genital configuration.

She was willing to use both to get what she wanted.
I don't know... The Romans were pretty powerful by then. Caesar did not seem to need her in any way. And Mark Anthony just doomed himself and her, for the adventure. I think there had to be something special about Cleo.
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If I read the article correctly, the statue of Cleopatra is headless.
Which article was that?

The OP mentions the "alabaster head of Cleopatra". I don't think it's supposed to fit on the "headless royal statue from the Ptolemaic dynasty" because Cleopatra predated the Ptolemys, didn't she?
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Cleopatra was the last of the Ptolemies. The article is a bit confusing.
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Cleopatra was the last of the Ptolemies. The article is a bit confusing.
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