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Rather than preaching to her, perhaps it would probably be more productive simply to discuss the difficulties you are having, and learn to live with each other. This can work. My wife's brother and his wife are Jehovah's Witnesses, in fact he is a minister or whatever the JW version of that is. The rest of my wife's family comprise a few quietly practising Catholics, and the majority firmly non-religious. Since the necessity of active evangelism is a core belief of JWs, you might think that was a recipe for family conflict. But it has been put to him that if he wants any kind of polite relationship with his relatives, he has to keep his mouth shut about religion when in their company. He has the good sense and common humanity to observe this. There's not much you can "do about" people "seeing the light". They're most unlikely to change their mind because of arguments you put to them. I used to study with this guy. He had a presitigious research fellowship in economics at Oxford University, and was on his way to a glittering academic career. His change of direction was deeply regretted by his eminent colleagues, one of whom now has the Nobel Prize, but they plainly didn't prevent it. http://www.stpauls.co.uk/page.aspx?p...lang=001lngdef And this guy was once a close friend of mine. He was a noted hedonist at Oxford, and was pursuing a career as a socialist politician when we lost contact. He was once pictured scantily clad in compromising posture (with his own consent) in a top-selling Sunday scandal-sheet. When I tracked him down more than a decade later, I discovered he was doing something very different. When we did meet up, but I regret to say I couldn't cope with it and was very rude to him. Not mature, helpful or sensible of me, and I feel very embarrassed about it. http://www.stpauls.co.uk/page.aspx?p...lang=001lngdef (It isn't very obvious from the link, but he is a Catholic priest.) |
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dude theistic evolution is the worst thing u can do to religion or sciene
and honestly who cares how it started what good come from knowing we came from dirt or monkeys if you believe in the same principles should it matter hell here a suggestion science and religion shoulnt be in the same conversation keep religion out and mommy wont sound kooky |
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You can, however, learn why science says what it says. Apparently, you seem anxious to do this. It is always best to be the helpful guide along the path, however, than make any attempt to push them in the right direction. Feeding others is appreciated, especially if the bites are small and sweet; honey not vinegar. Here's a few sweets, hopefully: You can be a creationist and still be in agreement with mainstream science. Here, creationist gets the positive spin, but with a better definition: believing in a Creator and having a literal view of the Bible [that is concordant with mainstream science]. I know a Southern Baptist deacon who sings in their choir and sees a literal interpretation that is concordant with evolution and the other sciences. He sees the critical six days as being six different days experienced by Moses who was taken back to those historical moments, not unlike the experience John has in the last Biblical book. The point here isn't a religious discussion on the issues but the fact a soft approach that opens the door to later discussions will allow some growth, but, as Ken said, she may just want to believe what she wants to believe. This friend of mine and I have lunch with some staunch YEC friends and when the topic arises, though rarely, we try to show interest in listening to each other respectfully. That's easy since we know they are very dedicated to helping others, probably due to their strong faith. This is not unlike the days of Galileo, where the weight of science opened the eyes of the Church and the erroneous religious dogma so tightly bound to Aristotle was revised by taking science into context with the exegesis. Of course, if she is a Geocentrist, your work will be a little tougher. If so, we could talk about the allegorical "four corners"; surely she's not a Flatearther. ![]() [Added: I forgot some other :sweets". 1) Darwin and Wallace both based their theory heavily upon Reverened Thomas Malthus. Darwin was planning to be a country parson until he returned from his famous voyage. He never became an atheist and his wife, Emma, by the few accounts I've seen, was always true to her faith. 2) Big Bang Theory was introduced by Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian priest, though his PhD in physics was probably handy at the time. ]
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The closest situation I've been in to this would be my best friend who turned out to be a global warming denier. Once I got over the shock and horror, we just made an unspoken agreement never to discuss it, but instead to focus on the things we had in common. I don't know if this would work with your mother, though, especially if you live under the same roof.
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From what little I've read and heard.
You might like this site. Here is a quote from one of his letters of 1879 (pg. 304). [He was 70 years old at the time.] "What my own views may be is a question of no consequence to any one but myself. But, as you ask, I may state that my judgment often fluctuates. … In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an Atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. I think that generally (and more and more as I grow older), but not always, that an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind.""Agnostic", as you probably know, is a term coined by his bulldog Huxley, whom he admired greatly. To my knowledge, this continued until his death three years later, though I'm no expert on his life.
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Telling your mom that creationists like her need to burn in fire? My take on this is that you may be a little too impudent to be trying to prove anything to her. |
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I did not know, as a matter of fact. Thank you very much for the history lesson.
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