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Many here will probably be interested to know about an interesting popsci article in the arXiv:
Moataz H. Emam, "So what will you do if string theory is wrong?", Americal Journal of Physics, July 2008 http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.0543 (A more accurate title would have been: What will Physicists do if String Theory Fails to Produce a Testable GUT?) Note that Emam publishes research papers related to string theory. His point is pretty much the same one that I have tried to make in various public discussion forums: superstring theory was originally envisioned as a unique (or almost unique) theory of fundamental physical interactions (a GUT, in fact), but it has turned out to be better characterized as grand subject in pure mathematics which may one day contribute to viable and testable physical theories. Emam gives a nice short sketch of some of the reasons why superstring theory has proven so popular with mathematicians, but I'd like to flesh that out just a bit. One interesting historical point which has been lost in all the popsci discussions of string theory I have seen is that in some sense superstring theory could be characterized as theoretical physics reciprocating the gift from pure mathematics of the notion of a symmetry group (especially Lie groups), plus vector bundles, Chern classes, and many other things, which have played such key roles in the development of theoretical physics during the last century. I dare say that not many non-mathematicians fully appreciate how closely the origins of symmetry groups and the current state of superstring theory lie to one of the most venerable topics in mathematics, algebraic geometry, the study of curves and surfaces defined by (systems of) polynomial equations in many variables; for example, x0^5 + x1^5 + x2^5 + x3^5 + x4^5 - 5 psi x0 x1 x2 x3 x4 = 0 defines a family of degree 5 hypersurfaces in four dimensional complex projective space CP^4 (the family is parameterized by the variable psi). Here, we are using homogeneous coordinates for CP^4, in which nonzero complex scalar multiples of the nonzero vector (x0, x1, x2, x3, x4) are identified. During the sixteenth century, Newton breathed new life into algebraic geometry (a subject initiated by the ancient Greeks) with his profound investigations into the theory of cubic curves (degree 3 curves) in the euclidean plane. One of the notable features of his work was that he gave a procedure for obtaining a qualitative description of an algebraic plane curve. To do this, he introduced the concept of the Newton polygon of a curve, which marks the beginning of convex geometry. (Late in the twentieth century, Newton polygons turned out to be an important concept in many applications seemingly quite unrelated to plane curves.) In the next century, Stirling and McLaurin made further strides in the reinvigorated theory of algebraic curves (curves defined as the zero sets of suitable systems of polynomial equations in many variables), especially plane curves. Jumping ahead two centuries to a concept not yet invented, Stirling proved in effect that the space of degree d plane algebraic curves can be identified with a complex projective space of dimension d (d+3)/2. This ensures that the theory of plane algebraic curves--- which, as we will see, are best thought of as creatures "living" in CP^2, not C^2--- has a delightful "recursive" character. McLaurin then proved that a degree m plane curve intersects a degree n plane curve in mn points (a result now known as Bezout's theorem, but Bezout neither discovered nor proved the theorem). But, to his alarm, while mulling over his result, McLaurin noticed the following discrepancy:
Euler introduced the notion of generating functions, in which (typically) a rational function is used to neatly "encode" an infinite series of facts. That is, the McLaurin series of this function has integer coefficients which answer some enumeration problem; for example, the question "how many rooted binary trees with n vertices are there?" might be answered by the n-th coefficient. Keep that in the back of your mind; we'll take quite a while to get back to it! And, oh yes, Euler also solved the McLaurin paradox: he observed that we must add the phrase points in general position to the statement of Stirling's theorem and we must add the phrase a generic pair of distinct curves to the statement of the McLaurin-Bezout theorem. This kind of qualification has become an enduring preoccupation of the theory of algebraic curves! During the course of the nineteenth century, German, French, and English mathematicians vied with each other in discovering and investigating a great variety of novel geometries and many new notions which had never before been investigated. Most important was the introduction of projective geometry and the discovery of a fundamental principle of duality. For example, in complex projective 3-space, CP^3, any statement involving points, lines, and planes remains true if the roles of lines and planes are interchanged. We say that "point" and "plane" are dual notions, while "line" is selfdual, in CP^3. Various geometers proved decisive results showing that many theorems which require listing many special cases over the real number field and in affine real or complex spaces C^n become much simpler when restated in the context of the appropriate complex projective space CP^n. Grassmann invented what is now called exterior algebra and defined the space of k-flats in n-dimensional projective space. Plucker then showed that every such Grassmannian is in fact an algebraic surface in some higher dimensional projective space. For example, the space of lines in CP^3, which is a Grassmannian, turns out to be a degree 2 hypersurface in CP^5. Furthermore, Plucker showed that the subspace of all lines in CP^3 which meet a given line (for example) is degree 2 codimenion 2 surface in CP^5. This means that in many cases, the problem of identifying all lines meeting a list of conditions reduces to finding the intersection of algebraic surfaces in some projective space! So the McLaurin-Bezout theorem is the prototype of many important results concerning the space of all algebraic surfaces of some kind which satisfy certain conditions. Plucker also shed new light on the McLaurin paradox when he proved that if you delete any one point from a set of d (d+3)/2 points in GP, then a one-parameter family or pencil of degree d curves passes through the remaining points, and any pair of these will intersect in d^2 points. In other words, the remaining d (d+3)/2 - 1 points determine (d-1) (d-2)/2 additional points, all lying on the original degree d curve, which form a non-generic set of d^2 pinch points common to a pencil of degree d curves. Thus, for example, a pair of quartic curves in GP will intersect in 16 points, but these points are not in GP! A set of 14 given points in GP determines a unique quartic curve, but omitting any one point allows us to pass a pencil of quartic curves through the remaining 13 points. These 13 points uniquely determine 3 additional points, forming a set of 16 pinch points in special position which is common to the entire pencil, since any pair of curves from the pencil intersect in precisely these 16 points. These 16 pinch points are in fact multiply-special, in the sense that no subset of 14 is in GP. But Plucker was not done: he revolutionized curve theory with his introduction of inflection points. Cayley reacted to Plucker's work by introducing projective metrics, which he used to achieve a kind of mathematical unification, clearly showing that spherical geometry and hyperbolic geometry both arise by adding additional structure to the geometry of the real projective plane RP^2. Independently, Lie and Klein became intrigued by these developments. Fortuitously, they met in Berlin and soon discovered that they shared a common interest in geometry. They then traveled together to Paris where they learned much from such French luminaries as Darboux and Jacobi. Beating a hasty retreat to Berlin with the outbreak of war in 1870, Klein and Lie began to work closely together. Within a few years, Klein formulated a program for the unified study of geometry, the Erlangen program , while Lie forumlated a program a unified systematic attack on (systems of) differential equations, including the difficult nonlinear systems of PDEs. In the Erlangen program, Klein introduced the notion of symmetry groups and explained how essentially all the dozens of "geometries" then known (all but Riemannian geometry). For example, Klein showed that both spherical metric geometry and hyperbolic metric geometry are specializations of affine geometry, which is in turn a specialization of projective geometry. In spherical metric geometry, we have a notion of distance and angle; in spherical conformal geometry, we lose the former. In affine geometry, we have a notion of geometric averaging, but no notion of angle. In projective geometry, we lose the notion of geometric averaging, but still have other notions such as cross-ratio. Unfortunately, BAUT may not allow inclusion of a Hasse diagram here, but interested readers should try to sketch one in which we have vertices for spherical metric geometry and hyperbolic metric geometry, connected by edges to lower vertices for spherical conformal geometry and hyperbolic metric geometry, and both of these connected to a still lower vertex for affine geometry, which is connected to a still lower vertex for projective geometry. Here, the various "notions" I mentioned are invariants under the action of the appropriate symmetry group on some projective space, and this is how Klein defines the "additional structure" needed to organize all these geometries (and dozens more) into a hierarchical structure. Klein's unification greatly impressed his contemporaries. Cayley, Sylvester and Gordan, among others, were thrilled by invariants and rapidly developed that subject. Cayley developed a symbolic method which efficiently gave results but was also deeply troubling because it didn't entirely make sense. Lie was stimulated by his knowlege, acquired during his stay in Paris (where he roomed in the same house as Klein) of the achievements of Galois, who had used group theory to precisely identify which polynomials have roots expressible in terms of radicals plus elementary arithmetical operations. To oversimplify shamelessly, Galois showed how to define a kind of symmetry group for a given polynomial, and he showed how the algebraic structure of that group determines whether the roots can expressed in terms of radicals, and if so, the form of the expression. This solved a problem which had been open since the days of the ancient Greeks. Galois's great achievement led Lie to formulate his dream of doing for differential equations what Galois had done for polynomials. In the years after returning from Paris, while corresponding often with Klein, he began to work out a theory. One of his greatest achievements here was the discovery that even a thorny system of nonlinear differential equations has a point symmetry group defined by a linear system of DEs, which means it can be computed (although the work isn't much fun without computer assistance!). Furthermore, he showed how the resulting algebraic structure can be analyzed to obtain solutions by exploiting extra symmetries, when they exist, and he showed that his method gave a unified approach to the bewildering variety of "special tricks" which had been developed in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries for solving various kinds of ODEs. Thus, both Klein and Lie achieved far reaching generalizations of vast bodies of mathematics, and revealed with unprecedented clarity how geometries and methods of solving differential equations "work". (to be continued..)
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At about the same time that Klein and Lie were working out their programs, Schubert (the mathematican Hermann Schubert, not the composer Franz Schubert!) became intrigued by the fact that certain problems in algebraic geometry have finite answers. For example: in complex projective three-space CP^3, "how many lines meet four given lines (lacking any particular geometric relationship to each other, such as lying in a common plane; we say they are in general position)?" The answer is two, and Schubert found many other problems with finite answers and computed their solutions. Here are some examples of the kinds of statements he (or others) came up with, in what we now call enumerative geometry:
(Lest anyone doubt the urgent importance of this topic for all mankind, I note that the correct question whose answer explains the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, is: in six-dimensional complex projective space, how many lines meet ten given four-dimensional flats in general position?) What Schubert did was basically to devise a kind of symbolic calculus in which expressions like a^3 b^2 stood for something like this: a might stand for "meets a line, with no special relations to any objects so far mentioned", while b might mean "tangent to a generic conic curve, with no special relations to any objects so far mentioned", and then a^3 b^2 would mean that we want to find all configurations of "points" in the space of lines (or degree 4 surfaces, etc.) which satisfy the combined conditions: "meets 3 lines and tangent to 2 generic conics, all in general position". For example, consider the question: "In CP^3, how many lines meet 4 given lines in GP?" Schubert's computation of the answer rested upon the equation s1^2 = s2 + s1.1, where s1 means "meets a given line, with no special relation to any objects so far mentioned", s2 means "contains a given point, with no special relation to any objects so far mentioned", and s1.1 means "contained in a given plane, with no special relation to any objects so far mentioned". Thus s1^2 means "meets two given lines, with no special relation to each other or any other objects so far mentioned". To prove it, Schubert said: consider two coplanar lines (in CP^3, any two coplanar lines intersect in a point which is of course also in the common plane). Then a line can meet them both in two ways: it can be a third line meeting the intersection point, or it can lie in the common plane but miss that point. Thus, s1^2 = s2 + s1.1 holds when the two given lines are coplanar, which means they are not in GP. Next, and this is the key, Schubert contended that by the (unproven) "principle of conservation of number", this equation also holds when we perturb the two given lines so that they are no longer coplanar. Similarly, according to Schubert, s2^2 = s2.2, which says the condition that a line contain two specific points (in GP) is equivalent to the condition that a line is a specific line--- namely, the unique line passing through the two given points. And s1.1^2 = s2.2, which says that the condition that a line be contained in two specific planes (in GP) is also equivalent to the condition that a line is a specific line--- namely, the unique line which is the intersection of the two given planes. And s2 s1.1. = 0, which says that the condition that a line contain a specific point (in GP) and the condition that a line be contained in a specific plane (in GP) has no solutions, since the given point won't lie in the given plane, unless these elements are not in GP at all. Thus, s1^4 = (s2 + s1.1)^2 = s2^2 + 2 s2 s1.1 + s1.1^2 = s2.2 + 0 + s2.2 = 2 s2.2 which gives the desired conclusion: in CP^3, two lines meet four given lines in GP. As you might expect, Schubert's leap of faith in appealing to a murky "principle" which was not only not proven by him but which-- as everyone knew, including Schubert himself-- did not always hold true was sharply criticized by other leading mathematicians, such as Study. Many decades later, in his history of geometry, Coolidge (the English mathematician, not the American president) commented that nothing in the history of geometry had proven so contentious as the principle of conservation of number. Backing up a bit, I should point out that Hamilton's work on optics led to a very beautiful approach to classical mechanics, Hamiltonian mechanics, which is related to a landmark achievement from the dawn of the nineteenth century, Lagrangian mechanics by a magical tool called the Legendre transformation, which has a simple and beautiful geometrical interpretation which invokes projective duality in CP^2. Meanwhile, both Lie and Klein soon realized that both the Erlangen program and Lie's theory of the symmetry of (systems of) differential equations required the development of a theory of groups which are also smooth manifolds (such that the group operations are "smooth"). This led Lie to spend many decades developing what we now call Lie groups and Lie algebras; in the latter subject, Lie was able to replicate in great generality his feat of replacing the study of "nonlinear" objects (Lie groups) with "linear" ones (Lie algebras). At the same time, Poincare discovered beautiful relationships between hyperbolic geometry and function theory, and introduced the twin pillars of algebraic geometry; for us, the important idea is the notion of homology groups. One key point which emerged from the work of Poincare, building upon earlier work of Riemann, is that curves in CP^2 have a natural topology. Perhaps the most important topological invariant of such a curve is its genus (a concept which had been invented long ago by Euler!). The genus of a degree d plane algebraic curve is given by the formula g= (d-1) (d-2)/2 where you might recall from Plucker's theorem bearing on the McLaurin paradox! Around 1890, Hilbert proved several landmark theorems in the theory of invariants, and ascended to the first rank of mathematicians. One of these established a perfect correspondence between ideals of certain rings and zero sets of systems of polynomials in many variables. At the dawn of the twentieth century, he gave an address in which he gave a list of problems which predicted (with astounding accuracy) the development of twentieth century mathematics. One of these was the problem of putting Schubert's calculus on a sound footing. His student Noether applied Lie's ideas to establish a useful symmetry principle in the theory of differential equations, which later proved invaluable to physicists. A few decades into the twentieth century, Cartan provided a beautiful unification of Kleinian geometry with Riemannian geometry, using what we now call fiber bundles. Reacting to gtr, Weyl proposed the first GUT, which was immediately shot down by Einstein as a physical theory, but which is important because it introduced the notion of a gauge theory. Soon thereafter, Poincare's homology and Hilbert's contributions to invariant theory gave rise to cohomology and then an abstract theory, homological algebra. DeRham found a beautiful cohomology theory formulated using differential forms, and various mathematicians developed the theory of vector bundles and K theory (which related operator theory to some of the geometrical ideas we are discussing). These later found employment in physics and dynamical systems respectively. If I might interject a global comment here: one might humorously characterize homological algebra as the subject which seeks to reduce mathematics to computations in which one adds up terms obtained by multiplying many signs (i.e. multiplying strings of +/-1). And one might humorously characterize all mathematical attacks on nonlinear objects as attempts to emulate Lie's trick of reducing the problem to a linear one. These are caricatures, but they both have a kernel of truth. By about 1930, several leaders in the development of algebraic topology realized that cohomology provided a way to finally make sense of Schubert's notion of "principle of conservation of number": equations like s1^2 = s2 + s1.1 turned out to make perfect sense in the appropriate cohomology ring. This takes advantage of the fact that cohomology has extra structure than it's "dual", homology, namely the multiplication in the ring. Even better, this multiplication has, in the context of Schubert's work, an interpretation in terms of intersection: if J, K are submanifolds of a manifold such as a Grassmannian, we can find corresponding classes (elements of the cohomology ring) such that [J] [K] = [J cap K] That is, the product in the cohomology ring corresponds to intersection of (the cohomology classes of) submanifolds, and thus to combining various geometric conditions. The following program then emerged for making sense of Schubert's computations:
During this period, in a seemingly unrelated development, category theory, an even more abstract theory which had arisen, in part, from homological algebra and which serves as a kind of grand unifying theory in pure mathematics, gave rise to the theory of structors (also called "combinatorial species"), which unified the kind of enumerative counting with generating functions introduced by Euler with Polya enumeration, another approach to solving enumeration problems which arose in chemistry and which involves symmetry groups and (finite) group actions. The symmetry groups in question are oligomorphic groups, which also turn out to be intimately involved in a part of model theory concerning general relations and first order logic. (to be continued...)
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(Sorry, due to editing limitations the parts now appear out of order...)
And now for the sociological dimension: If Emam (and I) are correct, many or most departments of physics are now dominated by researchers working in a subject in pure mathematics, namely superstring theory. Furthermore, many professors of mathematics are also working on that subject. This raises a sociological issue in that not since Newton's say, perhaps, have the "cultural" lines between mathematics and physics been so blurred in terms of what labels researchers wear and in which department they teach. (In another sense, commentators like Woit argue--- and I agree--- it's easy to tell the difference between pure mathematics and mathematical physics, because the last concerns, above all, testable predictions.) As one indication of the truth of this, I note that the highest award in Mathematics (four times as rare as a Nobel Prize, and thus arguably four times more prestigious) is the Fields Medal. Witten has not and may never win the Nobel Prize in Physics, but he has been awarded a Fields Medal for his contributions to pure mathematics (which are not limited to superstring theory, incidently!). So has Kontsevich, and some other recent Fields Medals resulted from related work. This raises the question of whether or not this anomaly will have a long term impact on academic research in math and physics, since many of these "improperly placed" researchers are young and have long researcher careers ahead of them (but in math, not in physics, unless they switch fields). Will string theorists working in physics departments be encouraged to change fields to a subject in physics? Will they move to mathematics departments? Or, as Emam suggests, will string theorists in math and physics departments form new Departments of String Theory? I find such a prospect horrifying, since it's bad enough that so many math departments have splintered into Math and Applied Math, following five decades after a split between Math and Statistics (in many universities). To my mind, applied math, statistics, computer science, and superstring theory are all part of mathematics, and splitting math departments into four creates artificial and harmful barriers to the recognition of close connections between all these topics. For example, category theory has given rise to topos theory, an extremely abstract subject which nonetheless is used in CS departments to study things like (I think) compiler design.
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Yes, pop sci = popular science, the genre of writing about science for general audiences.
Where you thinking of Popular Mechanics? The popsci paper I cited is by Emam, not by me. The book from which most of Part II is drawn is by Katz, not by me.
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Not only that, but most researchers are now more in solid state or nanophysics. This also leads to an answer to the question posed in the OP. Most physicists will do nothing if string theory is wrong. It wont affect their lives or careers. There will be alot of discussion on the new theories, but no earth shaking changes. |
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Isn't that where these ideas originated in the first place?![]() (just kiddin'). YCSM |
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One of the greatest twentieth century mathematicians was Andre Weil (not to be confused with Hermann Weyl) who among many many other things helped use cohomology to put Schubert calculus on a sound footing. I seem to recall that he quipped to his friend Auden (referring to Coleridge's method of composing Kubla Khan) that Schubert calculus had been conceived in an opium den.
But seriously: one of the points I am trying to make is that Schubert (like Heaviside) introduced a brilliant mathematical method (the utility of their methods was quickly recognized in both cases)--- these innovations just took some time to fully justify. Until that happened, their critics were quite right to continue to stress that the work was not yet solid. Shannon's great 1947 paper founding information theory (another topic which can be examined from Klein's point of view, incidently) was also not entirely rigorous, and was roundly criticized by Doob for that reason, but in this case the gaps were quickly filled, using ergodic theory, which had been developed by Birkhoff, Kolmogoroff and others in order to put certain topics in dynamical systems on a firm footing. Having said that, I can't resist adding that one of the loveliest applications of these ideas shows how geodesics in the hyperbolic plane are related to simple continued fractions. This is only one of many connections between number theory and dynamical systems. A possibly even more striking example: prime geodesics on discrete (compact) quotients of the hyperbolic plane H^2 possess asymptotics governed by a dynamical zeta function which is similar to the asymptotic distribution of prime numbers. (This connection uses ergodic theory, which arose in the context of studying the long-term behavior of dynamical systems; this topic subsumes the most abstract subfield of dynamical systems, symbolic dynamics, which includes the topic of my own diss, on Sturmian tilings, a kind of generalized Penrose tiling.)
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As for the few that are on this particular "bleeding edge" of physics, they will do what scientists have always done: Say "Oh well" and go on looking for something that works!
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The OP is a nice way to put several advances in what are thought of as theoretical physics into the broader context of pure mathematics. I don't understand much of what those words really mean, but many I see come up over and over in areas of physics theory (especially relativity), so it is useful to see how they fit into a mathematical landscape (pun intended).
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Mathematics! Truth or Tool? Personally, I think that the old Greek way of combining math and physics into a study of what "has to be" was a bad approach for physics, and physics really took off with Galileo and the idea that observations should be accepted as the path to truth (theory was more like a way of organizing what you see in the most unified way possible). I am seeing a bit of a return to the Greek approach, starting when Einstein told gravity how it "should" work (with amazing success, yet some rough edges around unification), and then taking that success and going way overboard into concepts like multiverses and many-worlds interpretations. I'd say it remains to be seen on which side of that divide string theory lives, but I think Chris' view that it belongs on neither side, but rather in pure mathematics, is a very interesting one indeed. That makes a lot of sense to me-- if we see it as pure mathematics, we in a sense already know how to use it, and how not to use it, in physics. |
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Thanks, Ken!
Elaborating: superstring theory has already proven useful for a number of things--- in pure math. What might be the very general lines of the most likely future development? I'd like to suggest an analogy which probably won't sustain being taken too far: harmonic analysis first arose in the work of Fourier on temperature distributions, and it was immediately effective there. But suppose it hadn't. Then mathematicians would have noticed that Fourier's ideas suggested how to develop a fundemental method of analyzing some purely mathematical problems, and after another century of development of things like operator theory, with the rise of some new branch of physics (quantum physics played this role in the history of harmonic analysis), it would have turned out that harmonic analysis provided the perfect tools to solve problems involving this new kind of physics. In other words: simply because superstring theory is universally acclaimed (by those mathematicians who have studied it) as beautiful and compelling, and because it has already proven useful in solving hard mathematical problems, I have no doubt that superstring theory will be developed even further, in ways we can hardly guess at right now, and eventually, like any great theory in mathematics, it will be applied succesfully to the sciences. Just how and when I cannot guess, but I am confident it will be applied (barring a mass die-off of Apis mellifera, or something else causing the collapse of the global economy, which would presumably result in a mass die-off of Homo sapiens, to the detriment of science, unless nonhuman scientists have been allowed to flourish beforehand).
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I think that depends on how one defines the "bulk" of mathematics. If you simply bean count the mathematical papers, I'm pretty sure that contention would not be correct. If you weight the math by its "significance in reality", then you are pretty much talking about physics anyway, so you are unfairly selecting the math that dovetails with physics and may have been stimulated by physics. But even if you do that, then when the OP talks about "gifts from pure math to physics" (symmetry groups, gauge theories, complex analysis, etc.), it is really talking about things that were developed primarily as pure math endeavors, not motivated by physics. Of course, it kind of depends on how one defines "physics"-- our brains are conditioned by our experience in the real world, so unless we are genetically "hard-wired" to prove certain math theorems, one can never completely divorce math from physics. Similarly, physics divorced from math is purely descriptive and ambiguous. I think it's hard to identify a preferred direction of flow of information between those pursuits, but it is important to identify their different goals and standards of proof.
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