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Old 19-August-2008, 02:49 AM
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Default Evolution: What preceded the Primate stage, for human ancestory?

I was just wondering what is thought to have preceded the primate (or Hominoidea superfamily of primates )
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I've always thought that it would have been some sort of dog, or perhaps squirrel, but could it have just have easily been some sort of elephant or hippo, for example?
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Lemur?
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That's actually a pretty good question. I think of the proto-lemur as being ratlike, but I have no evidence for that. It's just how I think of really old mammals.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_e...on#Before_Homo takes you back 85 million years. My guess is that before that our ancestral critters would have been hard to distinguish from rodents.
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From M. Benton Vertebrate Paleontology 1990 text and attached pics from pages 305 to 309.

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The Paleocene and Eocene primate groups have been allied with the modern Lemurs, lorises, and tarsiers in the suborder Prosimii, a group that is regarded as more primitive than the monkeys and apes (collectively, the suborder Anthropoidea). This division of the order primates (fig. 10.3a) has been challenged by some (e.g. Szalay & Delson 1979) who regard the tarsiers as more closely related to the lemuriforms, the extinct adapiforms, and the plesiadapiforms (fig. 10.3b). The analysis by P.Andrews (1988) retains the anthropoid clade (fig 10.3c), virtually the only area of phylogenetic stability. The tarsiers and extinct omomyids are linked and placed as outgroups of the Anthropoidea; more distant outgroups are the lemurifors and adapiforms. The sister group of the primates is the Scandentia (tree shrews, see p. 271), which have tactile pads on their fingers and some primate like characters of the skull. The Plesiadapiformes are paced out side the primates here, since they seem to lack all the diagnostic characters. The main unresolved problem concern the status of the plesiadapiforms, the position of the tarsiers, seen by some as prosimians, and the position of the extinct adapiforms, seen by others as the sister group of the lemuriforms (Fig. 10.3c, dashed line).
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Adam and Eve...DUH!
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Adam and Eve...DUH!
I'm sorry, please explain, is this humor or a theological statement?
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I'm sorry, please explain, is this humor or a theological statement?
Adam and Eve were the first humans in Middle-Eastern mythology, so I suppose it could be a humorous or a theological statement, but I'm guessing it was humourous.
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The trouble is, some may take it as a humourius statement, and find it offensive, some may take it as a claim, and find it offensive. Religious type statemnts in an ambigues enviroment like text are a quagmire. Despite the fact it restricts some of the topics I would like to discuss, I understand the need for the rules in place.
Please Toothdust, avoid such comments in future, they only cause headachs.
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Stephen Baxter's book, "Evolution" offers some interesting speculation / research in this regard. It started out following the life of a rodent like primate who managed to survive a mass extinction event.
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... I think of the proto-lemur as being ratlike...
Hmm, the ancestor of humans was a rat. That would explain many things.
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Hmm, the ancestor of humans was a rat. That would explain many things.
Yeah, the ability to work a maze, stand on the back two feet, and the love of all kinds of cheese.
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I was just wondering what is thought to have preceded the primate (or Hominoidea superfamily of primates )
stage of human ancestry.

I've always thought that it would have been some sort of dog, or perhaps squirrel, but could it have just have easily been some sort of elephant or hippo, for example?

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My guess is that before that our ancestral critters would have been hard to distinguish from rodents.

Ditto...go back far enough, and one would probably be hard-pressed to tell the difference between an ancestral carnivore, primate, or rodent.
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