There is life on Mars, but we know it not from them.

Stingray fossil from Mars:
Lamb statue from Mars:
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Animal skull from Mars:


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Welcome to the board, extrasense.

Here is another helpful link: pareidolia

There have been many past threads regarding "fossils on Mars" photoanalysis, it might be useful for you to read those threads to get an idea of what kind of response you will expect for your claims.

YATR

Yet Another Rorschach Test...

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I am aware that people are conditioned to believe own eyes only if they are watching TV :P

ES

The goal of that test is to grade people by their ability of image recognition.
I expect viewers to be normal people in that regard :P

ES

Just goes to show that you can find anything you want in an image of some sort of cloudy black and white nothing in particular.


Oh, by the way... I made the entire image in Photoshop. It took me all of ten mintues to get everything ready.

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Link from that link:
Jesus in a tortilla

We actually went looking for this. One year when my son and I went to New Mexico to see the Leonids Meteor Storm, we came across info on this tortilla in a city Chamber of Commerce publication, I can't remember which city, but we went out of our way to go there. The tortilla was no longer there and the locals we asked had never heard of it. And, it was a very small town so you'd expect the locals to at least have heard of it. This explains it! It was in 1978. So the memory had faded over 20+ years. Amazing that the claim was still in print in the local tourist ad.

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From Grizzly's link on the other thread:
Pancam shot of crater walls
Take a look at the shull carved into the rock at the bottom center!

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What's it look like to you? It looks like a cow butt to me.

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This claim is incorrect.
Some people might, and it is considered medical condition.

What percentage of people have this condition - I honestly do not know.

ES

Medical condition? No. It is a human trait that we all have, if to differing degrees. Your first post demonstrates you are quite adept at it.

You think it is true if you say so. A baseless assertion is not the same as the Truth 8)

ES

No, it is well-established that a normal human sees recognizable patterns in random patterns. That is a survival trait.

Also, we have had a half dozen or more people come in to this forum, point out random patterns, and claim they are evidence of life on Mars. You have to do better than that.

For rebuttal, read my Lenin page and the Hoagland pages. Then come back here and defend your claims.

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Extrasense, the one thing I have always wondered when people tell me that things on Mars look like Earth things is, "Why? Why should Martians create, for example, a statue of a lamb, or a fisherman tent?"

Because, of course, it's humans on Mars... And ancient humans on the Moon. But it's Lizards on Venus.

P.S. I don't recommend following those links.

Now, extrasense hasn't actually said that he (she, it?) believes these things. He has alluded to the fact the he does, but not come right out and said it. So, with that in mind... extrasense, do you actually believe these things are what the person who owns that website says they are?

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Worse than that is the faulty belief that photographs alone are a sound basis for arguing the existence of extraterrestrial life.

This assertion is certainly not baseless - beyond yours I could cite you countless examples of people who believe this is the way to do it.

Erm... Note that the link to the website is mywebpages.comcast.net/extrasense
I think that the OP may be the owner of the website... Just maybe. :wink:

A lot of people base their scepticism on this erroneous idea. How would anyone drive on the crowded road, if he would "recognize" arbitrary images in front of him?
How such nonsense become so popular? An absolute, unadulterated nonsense, how does it become popular in our culture?

ES

The question "Why" might take years to answer. My point is that it is the things we observe on Mars.

ES
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I'll give it a try....
Extrasense, there is a statistics program I use that, as an example of how humans look for patterns in everything, talks about "there are no horses in clouds". This is not a new, pop culture thing. Every person I've met looks up at the clouds and picks out things they see in those clouds. Because a person sees a "horse" in a particular cloud does not mean that cloud has any "horseness" about it.

Now lets assume you're right. Maybe one of those objects in the pictures is not a simple rock. But science, like the courts, needs evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Without some other evidence that this object was a lifeform, an eyeball look at a blurry picture is not going to be considered proof, or even good evidence, because shape alone can't prove such things.

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