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There is life on Mars, but we know it not from them.
Stingray fossil from Mars: Lamb statue from Mars: Martian outpost: Animal skull from Mars: ![]() More at site Welcome to Mars |
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Welcome to the board, extrasense.
Here is another helpful link: pareidolia There have been many past threads regarding "fossils on Mars" photoanalysis, it might be useful for you to read those threads to get an idea of what kind of response you will expect for your claims. |
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Jesus in a tortilla We actually went looking for this. One year when my son and I went to New Mexico to see the Leonids Meteor Storm, we came across info on this tortilla in a city Chamber of Commerce publication, I can't remember which city, but we went out of our way to go there. The tortilla was no longer there and the locals we asked had never heard of it. And, it was a very small town so you'd expect the locals to at least have heard of it. This explains it! It was in 1978. So the memory had faded over 20+ years. Amazing that the claim was still in print in the local tourist ad. ![]()
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From Grizzly's link on the other thread:
Pancam shot of crater walls Take a look at the shull carved into the rock at the bottom center! ![]()
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Some people might, and it is considered medical condition. What percentage of people have this condition - I honestly do not know. ES |
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No, it is well-established that a normal human sees recognizable patterns in random patterns. That is a survival trait.
Also, we have had a half dozen or more people come in to this forum, point out random patterns, and claim they are evidence of life on Mars. You have to do better than that. For rebuttal, read my Lenin page and the Hoagland pages. Then come back here and defend your claims.
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P.S. I don't recommend following those links. |
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This assertion is certainly not baseless - beyond yours I could cite you countless examples of people who believe this is the way to do it. |
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I think that the OP may be the owner of the website... Just maybe. :wink: |
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How such nonsense become so popular? An absolute, unadulterated nonsense, how does it become popular in our culture? ES |
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ES 8) |
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I'll give it a try....
Extrasense, there is a statistics program I use that, as an example of how humans look for patterns in everything, talks about "there are no horses in clouds". This is not a new, pop culture thing. Every person I've met looks up at the clouds and picks out things they see in those clouds. Because a person sees a "horse" in a particular cloud does not mean that cloud has any "horseness" about it. Now lets assume you're right. Maybe one of those objects in the pictures is not a simple rock. But science, like the courts, needs evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Without some other evidence that this object was a lifeform, an eyeball look at a blurry picture is not going to be considered proof, or even good evidence, because shape alone can't prove such things.
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Some people hear voices in their heads. The healthy people dont. Lets do not be schisophrenic about what we see. ES |
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Maybe I need some more coffee, but I guess my pattern recognition skills are down this morning. The photo in the upper left appears (without the "helpful" addition of color) to be a flatish rock with a trailing ridge of sand or dust and nothing like a real stingray fossil (see an example at http://tinyurl.com/3ctsf ). I'm not sure if the photo in the upper right is supposed to be the "Martian outpost" or the "lamb statue". I'm guessing the former, but all I'm seeing is a rock with a missing bit out of it. Again I'm guessing here, but if the lower left photo is supposed to be the statue, I'm not seeing anything particularly lamblike. And even with the color addition, I'm not seeing anything remotely skull-like in the lower right hand photo. And xbck1, I didn't "see" any of the things in your photo until you color highlighted them, but the biggish light blob in the upper right (containing the horse and plant) looked like a face to me. Sorta like the "Scream" if he been hitting the McDonald's "Supersizes" too hard!
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Lets do some math, using the "stingray with tail" picture. Lets assume that there is 10,000,000,000=10[up]10[/up] rocks that can be considered for fossils in the area covered by rovers Lets assume that each of them has a small rock attached, which will play the beginning of the tail Lets assume that there is 1/100 chance that small rock has an another small rock attached on the right side of it and of the right size, so that it forms next bone of the tail. And so on, and so forth. Since the "tail" has 12 bones, expected number of existing in the area "rock stingrays" will be 10[up]-14[/up] 8) Lets assume that rovers photograph everyone of them, that exists. We must conclude based on the assumptions and their consequences, that chances of us to have the existing picture, if the object were of nonbiologial origin, would be less than 10[up]-14[/up] #-o /14=24-10/ So much for the psedoscience worshippers ES |
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Check your monitor, glasses, eyes, brains and computer in this order. You will figure out what is the problem ![]() |
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In the picture you posted there are a rock shaped in a way that can remind one of a ray, of course it is not a stingray, but a rock. and so it is not a question of something being seen as a stingray, but something having a shape reminiscent of a stingray. That of course does mean the question is more along the line of whether it is a rock formed by fossilization or by normal geologic activity. I see a rock that looks kind of like a ray, and sand that may look like a tail. But I will say it is just a normal rock, until better evidence for something else is available. The next two objects just look like rocks, really. The last picture is of so poor resolution that to even identify it as a rock is hard, so if you see something there, it is a good indication that you are prone to the pareidolia phenomena. The problem is that some people are so prone to this, that they can not accept that it is not what they think, they can not accept that their perceptions are not right. This is similar to how people can't believe that their memories are wrong, even if other people try to tell them, I guess. Off course, if someone's perceptions of objects in these kinds of pictures are like that, it will not help no matter what I or anyone else say. In fact, some people have been so convinced something is a fossil that when they get analyses rapports that show it to be normal rocks, they just will not accept it, and starts to weave some sort of conspiracy theory. As for if it is mental problems, yes it may be, I guess, and as with some other types of mental problems, the one afflicted can not identify it in them self, and will remain convinced it is the other people that is the problem, perhaps... But as IANAP, I can't really say anything certain about it..
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Lets assume that there is 1/100 chance that small rock has an another small rock attached on the right side of it and of the right size, so that it forms next bone of the tail. And so on, and so forth.
There's a load of dubious assumptions here: First off, I don't see these rocks of which you speak, just a ridge (and I've seen zillions of those). Second, I don't see any signs of attachment. Even if I did, I daresay the odds of the wind lining up small rocks is a lot better than 1/100. Really? So, you do not see the end of the tail in air and its shadow on the ground? If you go here, you can see a whole bunch of images of the same thing, including left and right images suitable for stereo. Combining them makes it clear that there is no "tail in the air." (Scroll down to the "sub-frame EDR" section.) Check your monitor, glasses, eyes, brains and computer in this order. You should keep in mind that our host on this board does not have a lot of patience for people who come on here with an attitude.
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