So now you can submit your project here:
http://www.aerostar.com/hotair.htm
and ask them if it can be done. Don`t forget to include this image.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/Photographs/Photo328.htm

I did not send that UFO pic, I don't want to bother them with that crap.
I asked them if they could build a real balloon with a shrouded gondola. Obviously, sight of the pilot might be something of a problem concerning law, but with portholes/transparent materials and limited sight one can fly too.

besides, that company you referred to makes these too:
http://www.aerostar.com/remote_contr...ucks_front.jpg

RC balloons. Look! No Gondola!! If they can make that shape, they can make a UFO shape as well. And adding light effects can't be too hard. And as stated in an earlier post of mine, someone on another forum says he own an RC balloon just like the one in the UFO picture.

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Rioux, I think it is you who have been asked to "go play elsewhere," several times. I used to like you, but without your sense of humor, you really haven't got anything to like.

Carry on, while you can.

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I am also waiting for the photos.
I will not make further comments on any subjects until that time.

:-s That comment touch me deeply... seriously.

Nah!I am just kidding. Humor! :wink:

I am sure you have a good sense of humor too.

And surely a good buddy.
8)

But your subject of discussion about CC`s is slightly out of topic.Sorry!

Musashi, if you don't like someone, keep it to yourself, or PM me and let me know someone isn't posting by the rules.

What you said is an ad hominem. Consider yourself warned. Don't do it again.

In the meantime, Rioux is a sock puppet of starpilot and mk_ultra, and is banned.

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OK so far the balloons.

Are there any "sub-topics" still open in this thread? (I lost the way a bit)

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Well, here are the pics I've done so far. Nothing fancy, just waiting for a chance to take daylight pics

I know, I know, they're not perfect, and the lambdas pic could use some more work (bit heavy blurring on the leaves near the shuttles), but at least they're better than your average ufo picture.

I like the Star Destroyer pic the best. Nice tries! What we forget is that the average UFO pic is a normal landscape pic + 5 dark pixels added. We're aiming too high .

Sorry I'm out of time; I need to throw a stick in the creek and do a Nessie pic :wink:

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Well, I posted several points back here on page 13, if anyone has anything additional to say to these points I’d like to hear it. Here’s a brief recap:

- Regarding the ETH, belief and disbelief are equally unmerited scientifically, which only leaves the open question of the possibility.

- There are no sound ‘logical fallacy’ arguments against the purported phenomenon of ‘flying discs,’ most notably the ‘laws of Relativity’ arguments. In fact, Special Relativity offers helpful time/velocity physics that could facilitate interstellar travel of advanced civilizations.

- The atmosphere, like the deep sea, is a perfectly valid domain for greater investigation, and we shouldn’t let the UFOists impede further investigation by making the whole topic distasteful and/or taboo.

- A question – how much observational capacity is established right now, that would detect and release information regarding unusual atmospheric phenomena to the public (and related issues)?

- If the ‘false memory’ hypothesis explains a significant number of ‘ufo’ sighting events, then why does this mechanism seem to focus on only aerial phenomena, viz--why are there not an equal number of ‘gremlin’ sighting events?

- A question – what’s unreasonable about suggesting a scientific study of rare events in our atmosphere? Honestly, I’ve seen more sophisticated equipment and techniques used to investigate the Loch Ness Monster, than most aerial investigators utilize.

I think we'd best keep the ETH in the "Danekin" thread, it is full of it.
ABout the other points you summarised, I suggest we continue the thread based on those.

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:-s

The extraterrestrial hypothesis is the core of this thread, isn't it? I better go check out this Danekin thread, for I know not of which you speak...

In the Danekin thread the idea (as is the topic now at least) that the biblical and mythical gods are ETs is suggested. General ET discussion fits very well inhere however indeed.

I mistakenly linked all ETH to godlike ETH. My bad.

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=; Not a big fan of biblical/mythological stuff. Believe it or not, I think we can discuss this topic based on logic and evidence (even if the evidence is inconclusive). I'm interested in the here and now, reason, and what we can do to gather more data to clarify the issue at hand....my eyes glaze over when people start talking about angels and speculative interpretation of ancient sites and religious documents...

I think it would be best to limit the discussion to just the sightings from, say, the last century in this thread indeed.

My opinion on the subject: I haven't seen photographs or films that could convince me. And the web is not a great source for UFO research, as most of the sites are very poorly documented and written by biased authors.

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And I pointed out that such travel would hit two main barriers- the fantastic amount of energy required to acheive relativistic speeds, and the density of the interstellar medium at those speeds. You need to imagine advances in physics which can overcome those problems- are then expected to believe that such advanced craft would crash? or that they would fly about with all their lights on while avoiding contact for fifty or more years?

Check out ghost phenomena; alien big cat sightings; The Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot; yeti; chupacabra; sleep paralysis (Ihave experienced this myself- it could easily fool someone into believing in ghosts or abductions); all investigated- all found to be misapprehensions on the part of the human observer

- As has been pointed out- the sky is being watched all the time, by professional and amateur astronomers, weathermen, radar operators, aiplane spotters; there are many results obtained - some of which are interesting. But no proof, and no convincing sightings.

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I responded to this already:


I agree that it's a problem, but I don't concede that it's a significant one to a race capable of interstellar flight. Give us a thousand years or less, and we'll probably have it licked ourselves.

Which doesn't seem too difficult, imo.

I don't expect anyone to believe anything, I only ask that ideas be given objective consideration, but in any case, no, I never said I thought one or more alien craft have crashed.

I replied to this previously as well. A reasonable explanation can be easily formulated.

Alien big cats...never heard of that one, woo. The last one interests me especially, because it is a real phenomenon that gets misidentified. The same kind of thing could be happening in the sky with a phenomenon we haven't classified yet.

And I don't think ghost are related to false memories, but rather something else entirely, I don't know what though. I walked into my place while my friend was working here one