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Old 21-February-2005, 12:57 PM
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That is a possibility of course but i doubt than hub caps can fly thousands of miles per hour like recorded by radar by trained military personals.
Who needs hubcaps when oil flares will do nicely. See this thread
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Old 21-February-2005, 01:00 PM
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The incident began with radar/visual sighting of an object, presumably the same bright object, entering the vicinity at between 2000-4000mph.
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Old 21-February-2005, 01:26 PM
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The incident began with radar/visual sighting of an object, presumably the same bright object, entering the vicinity at between 2000-4000mph.
Sonic boom?
That's why it can only be alien. No sonic boom!
Pretty imprecise radar reading, by the way... 'First plane comes in at between 200 and 400 mph. Second one comes in at between 300 and 600 mph. So they may be closing in on each other, or separating, or keeping the distance. I guess that's allright then!'. I'll never dare to fly again :^o
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Old 21-February-2005, 06:00 PM
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'First plane comes in at between 200 and 400 mph. Second one comes in at between 300 and 600 mph. So they may be closing in on each other, or separating, or keeping the distance.
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That is a possibility of course but i doubt than hub caps can fly thousands of miles per hour like recorded by radar by trained military personals.
Who needs hubcaps when oil flares will do nicely. See this thread
Irrevelant there was no visual sighting of the objects.
Here a specific case among other than you cannot enter into the category "fooling by oil flares"
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfb.htm
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Old 21-February-2005, 07:14 PM
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Those pixels that outlaw described, can't they be the result of JPG compression as well as cut & paste? I've seen these kinds of artifacts more in jpgs, also in the ones without cut & paste. (I can see the pixels he means on the StarWars "faked UFO" pic on my LCD screen)

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Old 21-February-2005, 07:19 PM
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Here a specific case among other than you cannot enter into the category "fooling by oil flares"
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfb.htm
Well Heck...how does someone go about investigating this case now?...it happened a looonnng time ago. (before I was even born!) Are we just suppose to "take their word" for it?
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Those pixels that outlaw described, can't they be the result of JPG compression as well as cut & paste?
That too, have a look at the tree branches in my pics.

But as I said, I could've done a better job at pasting, now I just used the programs magic wand selection tool and cut that, instead of tracing the model pixel by pixel, which wouldn't have resulted in "bleeding".
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Here a specific case among other than you cannot enter into the category "fooling by oil flares"
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfb.htm
Well Heck...how does someone go about investigating this case now?...it happened a looonnng time ago. (before I was even born!) Are we just suppose to "take their word" for it?
It is part of the Cometa report and Condon Blue Book.
That was originally a classified case ...
.... this case report is item #8 on the list of 41 formerly classified Air Technical Intelligence UFO sightings cleared for Maj. Donald E. Keyhoe by Albert M. Chop, Air Force Press Desk.
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfdir.htm
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Here a specific case among other than you cannot enter into the category "fooling by oil flares"
Well you could, since they only saw flashes of light. They didn't actually see solid objects. Someone there made a point about how he "saw" 20 different objects, sometimes as many as 3 at the same time (on scope), it's kind of tricky since they could have been the same object, just that it changed orientation and gave a different radar signature. Someone else said there were 5 objects.

That was from 1952, those radars were first fitted on the B-29 in mid 1951, that is if it's actually one of the ones with a AEW system, and not just the turret targeting radars, in which case I'd have to look up the stats on those, not sure they actually had that good range.

Also the page claims the B-29 would've had 3 radar screens... wonder what the other two were for. I'll have to do some googling, I'm sure they would've removed the bombing radar scope, and did the modified B-29 have turrets?
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Outlaw...you didn't answer my question...how do we investigate it now??
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Old 21-February-2005, 09:26 PM
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Outlaw...you didn't answer my question...how do we investigate it now??
It was investigated when the even as happening and there was no radar malfunctions.It was classified because of that investigation...and later declassified to be part of another investigation which have find no natural explanations.What do you need more?What a new (now)investigation of the same event will add?
The Officially Cleared Report - Maj. Donald Keyhoe
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Hate to break this to you outlaw but we wouldn't be having this discussion if UFOs were proven to be more than unidentified flying objects at this point.
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Old 21-February-2005, 11:36 PM
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Outlaw...you didn't answer my question...how do we investigate it now??
It was investigated when the even as happening and there was no radar malfunctions.It was classified because of that investigation...and later declassified to be part of another investigation which have find no natural explanations.What do you need more?What a new (now)investigation of the same event will add?
The Officially Cleared Report - Maj. Donald Keyhoe
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfc.htm
The problem I have with all "investigations" are they are after the fact and thus speculative. Some, like COMETA and similar U.S. ventures, come to contradictory conclusions. I don't buy any investigation when the "thingy" is no longer there to investigate (including the ones that support my belief).
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Old 22-February-2005, 02:29 AM
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Outlaw...you didn't answer my question...how do we investigate it now??
It was investigated when the even as happening and there was no radar malfunctions.It was classified because of that investigation...and later declassified to be part of another investigation which have find no natural explanations.What do you need more?What a new (now)investigation of the same event will add?
The Officially Cleared Report - Maj. Donald Keyhoe
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/gulfc.htm
The problem I have with all "investigations" are they are after the fact and thus speculative. Some, like COMETA and similar U.S. ventures, come to contradictory conclusions.
Contradictory conclusions depend upon how the study is made and
the selection of cases presented.If like the Condon report you chose not talking about the most complicated reports of observations you can conclude the report about the UFO problem saying its swamp gas or planet Venus or meteors.Contrary to what I have stated previously the Gulf of Mexico Case
December 6, 1952 was not even mentioned in the Condon Blue book report but is studied in the Cometa report.
Critics upon Blue Book
ON LACK OF ATTENTION TO SIGNIFICANT CASES
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First part
http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.4b.html
http://www.cohenufo.org/ocr.5a.html
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Old 22-February-2005, 02:58 AM
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Nothing you posted addresses the problem I have with UFO investigations outlaw. Care to comment on the other two sentences of my post, one of which you didn't include in your "quote"?
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Old 22-February-2005, 03:13 AM
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Nothing you posted addresses the problem I have with UFO investigations outlaw. Care to comment on the other two sentences of my post, one of which you didn't include in your "quote"?
I know than you are interested only in hard solid pieces of evidences who are most likely in the hands of the military who will always denied having such things.
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Nothing you posted addresses the problem I have with UFO investigations outlaw. Care to comment on the other two sentences of my post, one of which you didn't include in your "quote"?
I know than you are interested only in hard solid pieces of evidences who are most likely in the hands of the military who will always denied having such things.
Have you actually seen these things you infer the military is hiding or just read about it somewhere? My problem with investigation has nothing to do with alleged cover-ups. You can't investigate a UFO if the UFO is no longer there, plain and simple. If you have any suggestions on how to get around that conundrum, I'm all ears (so to speak).
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Old 22-February-2005, 04:24 AM
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You can't investigate a UFO if the UFO is no longer there, plain and simple.
That is right but you can investigate and ask about the origin of theses objects who can fly at 5,850 miles per hour than your radars screens have pic up and you can see them visually .Hallucinations collective dont return radar echos.
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Old 22-February-2005, 04:40 AM
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Could be misidentified visual phenomenon?
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