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A Featured article today on
Space.com. Ya'll know what I think... what say ye? Do current "rigorous" astrophysics really support this?
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I linked to the Haisch article in another thread. I think he some very interesting ideas.
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/JBIS.pdf The www.NARCAP.org web site explains some of the stigma which attaches to the UFO/UAP problem. |
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It's an interesting piece, but it is, IMHO, a little self-contradicting
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Don't forget that the "little green men" laugh-factor is pervasive to this day, with many giving it a low a priori probability to start. Hence, very little serious scientific inquiry has been done. I'm optimistic, though, we continue to see these sorts of news pieces about "life out there" and ETs, and IMHO they serve as a desensitizing mechanism.
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Haisch and Puthoff are desperately trying to find a way of reducing inertia, with the aim perhaps of inventing a reactionless drive;
I wish them luck, but doubt they will be successful. This pdf http://www.ufoskeptic.org/JBIS.pdf suggests that extraterrestrials might already have similar technology, making getting to Earth easier than one might suppose; they then suggest that alien intelligences would fly around the skies of Earth with all their lights on, showing themselves to small groups but hiding from the governments and scientists of the world in order to 'prepare' us mentally for eventual contact? That seems a pretty unusual strategy if you don't mind me saying so. Dear Mr ET, we need proper contact now, not all this sneaking around. |
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Haisch's "Some Thoughts on Keeping it Secret" is relevant and interesting too.
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Well, many of the people who experienced the great UFO flaps of the 1950's are not prepared for contact, but instead they are nearly all dead now. There would be nothing rational or ethical about persuing such a 'leaky embargo' strategy for decade after decade; and of couse nothing of the sort has been happening. Despite the opinions expressed in this paper, all UFO reports are in fact the result of misidentifcation of natural phenomena or man made phenomena, hoaxes or hallucinations. There is no need to have an extraterrestrial hypothesis at all. |
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Bernard Haisch is a UFO "free-energy" crackpot. Its unfotunate his article has gotten so much media play and attention. His assertions that prevalent thinking in cosmology and physics shold have us believe that extraterrestrials are visiting earth are simply not true. In fact, its precisely the opposite. What we know about the universe and its underlying physics makes it very unlikely that E.T. is here and attempting to phone home.
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couse that would be wasting space!
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Well, the likelihood that there is extraterrestrial life eslewhere in the universe is pretty high. But for exactly the same reasons this is likely, it is improbable that E.T. has dropped in for a visit here. This is the mistake Mr. Haisch makes in his article.
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Yeah, I believe that there are billions and billions of alien life (sentient and non-sentient) out there and millions upon millions of alien civilizations existing at the same time but STILL...I doubt that any alien race have discovered us
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Mr. Outcast,
I suggest that you do a little personal research on Mr. Haisch and his flight-by-night outfit he calls the "California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics." As for my reasoning about the probability of E.T., let me explain it in simple terms... Given the vast size and sheer scale of the universe, there may be innumerable places where life might have originated and evolved into intelligent creatures. But it is this very same vast size and and sheer scale that makes it very unlikely that any extraterrestrial intelligence would have found us and then traveled over incredible distances to drop in for a visit. The number of places and the distances we are talking about are beyond our own human comprehension. Consequently, there is an inverse relationship between the likelihood of extraterrestrial intelligence elsewhere in the universe and the possibility of E.T. dropping by earth to phone home.
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We ourselves are already ETs. Are you suggesting that either we are the first and only species to have accomplished this, or are you saying that no further breakthroughs in propulsion will occur, at least none that might be supported by Haisch's "fringe ideas," to make interstellar travel more feasible? Actually, IMHO, it is those very fringe ideas that often bring about discovery. What comes to mind is a recent remark I made about how often what was once Science Fiction is now Science Fact.
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