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Old 04-March-2005, 07:55 PM
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Did Clouds in Space Cause Snowball Earth?

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Scientists are fairly certain that the Earth went through a snowball glaciation 600-800 million years ago, when the entire planet was locked in snow and ice. One new theory to explain this extreme cooling is the possibility that the Solar System passed through an interstellar cloud of dust and gas, which obscured the light from the Sun. Even if the cloud wasn't thick enough to obscure light from the Sun, it could have enabled charged particles to pass into the Earth's atmosphere and destroy the ozone layer. These clouds are huge, and it would take the Solar System 500,000 years to pass through one.
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I don't see how destroying the ozone would lead to global glaciation.
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Perhaps this will help:

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It seems counterintuitive, wouldn't more radiation reaching the planet result in higher temperatures? I can buy the idea of the ozone layer being torn apart in a dense cloud, but isn't an ozone hole currently believed to be the result of global warming causing ozone depletion?

It would seem to me that the iceball would need the alignment of a couple different things, not the least of which is an ice age, which we now believe is tied more closely to the solar cycle. If a bad ice age triggered by a long Maunder minimum were enhanced by a dense cloud further scattering radiant energy from the sun were supposed, I could buy that, but the ozone thing strikes me as a red herring.
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Oh...clouds...that's a relief. I thought you said clowns.
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I read somewhere that snowballs occur when the Earth's continents are aligned along the equator, dividing the ocean into two giant landlocked seas. If that's true, Occam's Razor says we should stick with this theory before introducing hypothetical clouds of gas and dust.
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Like Eroica I'm skeptical, there are other theories regarding global cooling.

A question I would want answered is: where is this cloud of dust now? I can't see all of this devastating galactic fog being swept up by the solar system so it should be hanging around somewhere.
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Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth's atmosphere during the solar system's immersion into a dense space cloud.
The big problem with this hypothesis is that the solar wind would sweep away this dust out to the heliopause, which is beyond Pluto. Even if our solar system did pass through a giant molecular dust cloud (it probably did many times during its 4.5 billion year history), none of that dust would come between the Sun and the Earth.
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Arggh... The ozone layer and global warming/cooling are not related! :roll:

Here we go again...
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Correction. They are not cause and effect related. They are probably related because a third item, or items, is affecting both.
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Killer space clouds destroy life on Earth!

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I don't see how destroying the ozone would lead to global glaciation.

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My understanding is if the ozne is depleting then the UV factor increases at ground level thus creating hotter suface reflection than normal.

This would effect the rate of melt and hence more water, more water increases the rate of melt further.

At least thats how I see the connection.

The ozone is getting worse due to both solar storms and the man made factor.
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Killer space clown clouds destroy life on Earth!

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Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth's atmosphere during the solar system's immersion into a dense space cloud.
The big problem with this hypothesis is that the solar wind would sweep away this dust out to the heliopause, which is beyond Pluto. Even if our solar system did pass through a giant molecular dust cloud (it probably did many times during its 4.5 billion year history), none of that dust would come between the Sun and the Earth.
Yeah, but they're presupposing a fairly dense cloud capable of overcoming the outward pressure of the solar wind. The distance to the heliopause is partially affected by the density of the interstellar medium its pressing against.
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Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth's atmosphere during the solar system's immersion into a dense space cloud.
The big problem with this hypothesis is that the solar wind would sweep away this dust out to the heliopause, which is beyond Pluto. Even if our solar system did pass through a giant molecular dust cloud (it probably did many times during its 4.5 billion year history), none of that dust would come between the Sun and the Earth.
Yeah, but they're presupposing a fairly dense cloud capable of overcoming the outward pressure of the solar wind. The distance to the heliopause is partially affected by the density of the interstellar medium its pressing against.
Wouldn't the relative speed of the solar system and the cloud effect how much of it would get to the earth.
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