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Globular clusters in the halo of our galaxy are thought to be very old. What are the chances intelligent life resides out there?
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Less than the chance of there being other intelligent life in the Milky Way. The Milky Way is bigger which means more stars which means more planets ect...
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Dave's hit the nail on the head...
Until recently, it was thought to be highly unlikely that globular cluster stars would even have planets because the heavy elements needed weren't so plentiful early on in the universe's (and galaxy's) life... no planets, therefore no life... However, earlier this year a gas giant was discovered orbiting a star in a globular cluster so even though they might be rare, they do exist. That being the case, maybe there were a few Earth-like planets too...
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I didn't think of that! Of course we are made of stardust. I was just thinking that if the clusters are supposed to be so old, maybe there is something out there we're missing. How do we know they are all first generation stars? Maybe, there is some kind of interaction with the mysterious dark matter we know nothing about! Is dark matter out around the globular clusters?
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Recent finds are showing quite a few solar systems in our galaxy they are quite similar to our own, but younger. I'm surprised we're finding younger ones as opposed to older ones, since we're the toddlers around here.
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That wasn't quite what I was wondering about. But, now that you've mentioned it, maybe the dark energy to "dark beings" is like sunlight to us. Perhaps, the dark beings cannot look toward us because we are too bright, light hurts their radiation sensors!
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The only way to find out is either go there, or try to find planets. It seems planets can exist around any star, and why shouldn't it be possible to find life as well. The clusters are thought to consist of old (first generation) stars, but we don't know how old they really are. I think the chances of finding life in globular clusters are the same as anywhere else.
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Now life "as-we-don't-know-it" (e.g. dark energy kangaroos) might just exist there, but why confine them to globular clusters? They might exist anywhere. Speculation is so much fun, and inexpensive too. |
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that is very interesting, how many (proportionally) of these stars are there?
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where is slim now?
just what is the proportion of these stars are there in the universe?
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Pop II are the old "first generation" stars that we're talking about here, but the two "populations" really grade into each other with a full range of intermediaries. Sounds like neither group is rare, but I couldn't find an estimate of the proportions of the two groups. Perhaps the reason I couldn't find such an estimate is because it would be difficult and pointless to develop one. Difficult because the brightest stars we see are all young and therefore Pop II, because big bright stars don't live long. All Pop II stars would be dimmer than the sun except for the few that are currently in the red giant stage. Also, since Pop I stars live in the Galactic disk, and Pop II stars live in the halo, nearby stars are mostly Pop I (like the sun). Any astronomer would recognize that both those differences would bias any survey toward over-estimating the proportion of Pop I, so it would be difficult to find ways to account for that bias. Pointless because there is no clear line between Pop I and Pop II - they form a continuum, not two groups - pick your dividing line and you can make any number come out right. Or maybe I'm just stupid and the next link I checked would have had it. Here's a link about an extreme Pop II star. |
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thank you for that....i see your point actually, and that extreme star is well - extreme!
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