Well, does finding amino and nucleic acids on an asteroid count?

Is it really necsssary to tear someone else down just to build yourself up?

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Bobunf, re-What an excellent posting! The whole thing, really.

And Asei, re-Funny! And, most likely to be the truth.

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There is a highly skeptical news story on this issue by Robert Roy Britt,

"Russian Alien Spaceship Claims Raise Eyebrows, Skepticism"
Space.com, 12 August 2004
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/tung...ent_040812.html

With kind regards,

Oliver

But I thought you and a couple of other people were our alien overlords...I have been led astray by utter missinformation.



Bet ya ten to one that it just proves to be a regular meteor rock.

Failure to find an object may be related to the terrain.

From many years ago I recall a report about this being in a permafrost area, where the subsoil is permanently frozen.

The idea expressed was that anything that fell would sink into the mire and might never be recovered. A search for gravity anomalies was suggested as one way of finding the hidden object.

Has anyone else heard of this being a permafrost area?

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Wouldn't an analysis of the type of metal found provide the first clue as to whether the object was a meteorite or not; i.e. to have been purposefully-made?

A "spaceship's" hull would have been probably made of a similar substance to our own (like titanium?), rather than a softer element.

Simplistic?

Yea, I read the other day in the "Enquirer" that some Alabama duck hunters accidentally shot down an angel. They had a pic of her lying face down in a pond. Also, since they are so good at finding things do you suppoe that they can find my Grandmothers keys to her 1974 Chevy Impala?

Wendell

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I agree, Chook.

According to Pravda [1], two objects were found:

1. A stone, called the "deer".

2. An extraterrestrial technical device.

The first object was sent to the city of Krasnoyarsk for analysis. The story does not report what was done with the second object.

If analysis show that the first object is a meteorite (there are several relatively quick tests), that still will not tell us anything about the second object.

Structural features, as well as chemical composition, of the second object would indicate if it were part of a "spaceship".

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Oliver
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Reference [1]

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378...5_tunguska.html

I'd like to see some good satellite photos of the Tunguska area. And a major international expedition of experts to take all the modern stuff they can airlift into the area and spend some serious time scouting the area. Everytime someone goes into this remote area, they find something new. How about a Russian Yeti, or maybe even the winter home of Elvis? Seriously, don't we all just wish that this UFO stuff was true. Someone quoted Sagan. Here's another famous Sagan quote: "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof."

We don't actually know how many alien spacecraft exist, if they do, and the few that have crashed may be minute in number compared to the ones flying around - if that's true. And I hope it is.

This might not have been a "small" ship, maybe a mothership (dont laugh) for something "if it was alien" to cause this damage over this wide area then it had to be big, or very powerful.

Unless the us gov were testing something secret ?

Maybe the russian gov should use the clearing for a new site for macdonalds <_<
They get everywhere

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I don't believe there was an impact. The object blew up at a high altitude (from visual reports)and the surficial damage came from the blast effect of the explosion. I think it was a steam explosion of a comet like meteor, where friction produced enough heat to superheat the water and ice to create the explosion prior to impact. Just my opinion
Jack

or the cuppacino maker on the alien craft went into overload...

nah, the evidence does suggest what you suggested JESMKS

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om@umr.edu, re-Yes, very permafrosty! I read some articles and saw a documentary about a couple of expeditions there in the summer months. Lots of muck at the surface to slough through, pumps were required...TONS of mosquitos. I don't think they found anything.

And damienpaul, re-Exactly! These are critical components of flying vessels. Why else would the Air Force spend $20,000 on coffeemakers for the B-52's? They want the best, so that nothing will go wrong. :P

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Carl Sagan

B) It was hard to read the article without my "bulldust alarm" going off. I would like to think we have some useful evidence, but a few photos might have helped. Would you go on an expedition like that without a camera? Also, the calculation giving the Tunguska meteorite a mass of 1,000,000,000+ tons seems to be new. I heard a figure of about 1/4 ton from another source - even allowing for experimental error..................... ! My alarm went off the scale when they explained that the aliens didn't stack their ship, but used their powers to blow up the meteor and save Earth. Very nice of them, but I will reserve my thanks until we get some more conclusive evidence.

mike

There have been other expeditions to the site. Several photos were taken and tests were done. None of them mentioned anything about parts from alien spaceships being found though.

Previous Tunguska Expeditions

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Because once the aliens see us, they realized that they just wasted their entire life traveling through empty space just to see a bunch of morons, prancing around on a tiny insignificant planet in the middle of nowhere, so the aliens give us on life and crash themselves into the ground, hopeing to take some of us out on the way down.

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but they left Extrasense behind...sory i could not resist!

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Stories like this one bring a famous saying by Phineas Taylor Barnum to mind.

Dave Mitsky

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I would think that an advanced technology woulld have figured out well ahead of time that we were in peril and would have taken the intruder out long before it hit us..If Shoemaker and Levy could have predicted the impact of a comet on Jupiter
as far in advance as they did, then a civilization able to span stars should find it even easier..

I spent six years in our military and have worked with people who were in the Red Army..We exchange stories a lot about the skuttling of military equipment from
other branches of the service and then ditching the eividence...in very convenient
spots..

Entire jets have been taken and repainted..Other equipment gets "loaned" to other branches in order to convince state department officials that there are shortages
that need replenishing...

Evidence must be ditched....

The penalty for getting caught is quite severe..

Now ask yourselves, since 1908, how did the Red Army manage to miss it?
Perhaps they don't pay attention to metal devices....especially ones in the ground.
My friend insists that geiger counters are constantly combing areas...

It sounds like something got ditched and a mask of deception pointed a finger in another area..

blueshift

But then they could phone home!


Anyone hear any more on the meteor? (sorry, until it is proven otherwise, that is what I am going to say it is).