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Old 11-February-2005, 10:04 AM
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The sighting of a large number of ufo’s throughout the world over many years
has aroused much interest and speculation.
First let us observe this from a objective point.
1. Could many of the sightings be a natural and have a cause or source that is unknown to humans
2. what are the symptoms of those that see them and of the objects around them
3. are they remote controlled or are they totally automatic
4. If a automatic could they be from outside the earth or generated from a source within the earth
Well let us see what we can answer.(and your comments please)

1. Yes many sightings are natural such as optical inversion, lightning balls, reflections, the moon ,
2. the symptoms are many and varied
· the closer they are to the observer or objects the more severe they are
· loss of memory
· short circuits power surges and batteries boiling
· burns that wont heal
· cars wont start
· buzzing noise(a reaction to the 50 –60 cycle power wires?)
· perhaps crop damage where normally brittle plant stems are bent over at angles that would normally cause stress or breaking
· Indents in the ground indicating great weight, yet the UFOS are reported to hover without any trouble.
3. If they are remote controlled from earth then the many hundreds of people that are doing this are totally inhuman, as the weakest point of human nature is to communicate and not keep a secret. Which would indicate that they must be ether controlled from the moon or have a totally automatic means of keeping away from animal contact as any automatic thing could do (try to grab the soap in the bath)
4. If they are automatic and from outer space then they would have to be from with out of the range of our telescopes and thus would be at least 4 light years away so remote control is out.
If they are like the bath soap and from a natural source then they could be from within the earth.


Observations and comments
One theory that has attracted my attention is the magnetic and superconducting theory. If a civilisation or an unknown phenomenon was able to create a super conductor or super magnet of any or some of the elemental molecules nearby then the action of nearly all the sightings could be explained.
1. Travel great distances could be by repelling the craft from any molecules in its area starting from the mass of the source ‘planet’ and thinning out to the hydrogen of dust in the near space , then decelerating as approach to the target and finally hovering as the greater mass of the earth approaches . This object would be able to sense the molecular structure of all its surroundings (MRI we already have) and take appropriate manoeuvre for its programme , and this programme could be not much more complicated than the bar of soap you try to catch. in the bath
2. Assuming that the superconductor theory is maybe possible the boiling of batteries would be a simple short circuit because the insulation of the plates no longer exists. The same for power surges and humming sounds as the magnetic field interacts with the 50 or 60 cycle power of houses that are approached too near by the UFOS.
· Cars would not start aeroplanes would not fly with out a motor to power them . and humans too close to the craft would suffer loss of memory as the short term memory is of an electrical nature and thus the brain would not be able to function causing from simple vagueness of description to total loss of time and memory.
3. Humans too close to these craft-objects are always very vague and never come up with an original out of human knowledge, or observation . Each new sighting seems to be a logical extension of the last .i.e. first big eyes then bald heads and then etc.etc. I am sure that if I were from out of this world and met a elephant for the first time I would be able to give a vivid and meaningful description of the animal even if I did describe it as having a long tail which it seemed to be putting some food in its wrong end.



We have to plough through the human s desire to fill in the missing gaps of knowledge with speculation based on others speculation, and the desire to fill in memory gaps with what is expected and not what was observed.
I am sure that If I was in a UFO and in full command of my senses then some very precise observations of even just one distinctive part would be passed on. Not the vague “well there was a sort of control panel.

I know it seems impacticle to create a magnet from any element but it sure would be a great propulsion system to go to the stars
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Old 11-February-2005, 05:59 PM
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hahaha, I remember I thought I saw a UFO one day, it was just the annual meteor shower, and I forgot, lol....yea but are these allegations true? about the U.F.O and symptoms? I don't doubt that there's other life than us, but, why do U.F.O.s just come and go? how come they don't stay and try and learn more about us.....and in turn, we learn more about them??
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saw one years ago but my observation of it was that it was some sort of natural thing.
if we were to discard the hysteria and get down to really finding out what they are then we may discover a new thing that will benifit us all.
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Old 11-February-2005, 08:56 PM
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You said, "Assuming that the superconductor theory is maybe possible." Super conductivity is fact. It happens at very cold temperatures, don't remember what temperature. The trick, for us, is to develop materials that will super conduct at room temperature. (Probably not needed in deep space.) I think that would be the most important development to save us from the "Boogie Monster."
By the way, by using the term UFO, are you referring to a thing called a "Flying Saucer?"
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Old 11-February-2005, 09:15 PM
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Hey, guys, we all think there is ufo"s out there somewhere, few months ago my daughter & me were just outside & seen 3 lights in the sky, perfectly parellel to each other. none of them moved for over 3 hours there were over our town all that time, so many people seen them & nobody [mod] airports etc, admitted to it. Make you think really, but I look at it like this, I"m sure we have been observerd, & they have thought, cant go there too many wars, they are slowly killing there own planet! But it"s logical that we cant be the only ones.
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Old 12-February-2005, 12:08 AM
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ulga yes unidentified flying object ufo
flying saucer is a human interpretation of what we see. and just confused the observation.
and as there are atm two ways of negotiating space
reaction by accelerating mass away from the ship
and coasting in an orbit around a gravitational object.
nasa uses tricks like sling shoting from one gravitational force(planet) to another.

but once in space Iv'e often wondered if we could not use powerfull magnetic forces to pick up on the weak magnetic fields in space and use them.

candy lots of ppl see these lights
and it gets so common that ho hum another one how ever there seems to be no money or concerted effort to actually find out what it is as i am convinced it is an effect that science could pick up on and use to everyones advantage.

even astronaughts have often seen them and i think they call them 'sprites'
it is believed they may come from lightening but no one seems to corelate the occurences with local occurences.
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Old 12-February-2005, 12:14 AM
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"so many people seen [sic] them & nobody [mod] airports etc, admitted to it."

How do you know that so many people saw these three lights if nobody acknowledged it?

"Make [sic]you think really,"

It makes me think that either the lights weren't observed by others, or they had an non-sensational explanation readily apparent to others.

"I"m sure we have been observerd, & they have thought, cant go there too many wars, they are slowly killing there [sic] own planet!"

What wimps these ETs must be, and not very curious either.

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Why is it that these ufo's only seem to drop in on small comunities in the midwest of the USA. Show me the raidar image, or the vidio film. Show me any evadance from any where. The reason we dont know much about these alien visators is that they are not real. All of the so called observations thus far have all been dismised as natural or man made. With the appearance of Venus and Jupiter, and some times the moon. With a healthy number of helecopters and other air craft and of cors the odd metior shower and reentering junk. Just after sunset a gagle of gees from the right angle and amount of light can look very convincingly like a mother ship gliding through our atmosphear. I am a sceptic and as yet have not been privy to evadence that convincess me any of this stuff is really alien controled craft. Some, very few have been recorded as a UFO. and thats all they are until we know better.
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I've spent thousands of hours observing the day and night skies and have NEVER seen a single out of the ordinary event that could not be explained without having to resort to extraterrestrial visitors.

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there is a lot of hoaxes and hysteria.
but most of the hard core observations Like the foo fighters of 2 nd world war seem to obey the laws of some natural force ie ball lightening etc.

the ones that dont seem to obey natural laws seem to nearly always do un natural things such as abduction.
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same here---years at night---'nuttin'.
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The trouble is that so many people now just calim to have seem a UFO for no reason that we can't discern which ones have any background to them (even if were say ball lightneing). Now unless there is photographic evidence science doesn't pay much heed.
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You haven't seen a UFO? you weren't trying.

I have seen a dozen or so; none of them were extraterrestrials.
Sundogs;
a bolide;
Iridium Flares and the ISS;
a weather balloon;
various aircraft seen in unusual conditions;

but the most convincing of all was a conjunction between Mars and Jupiter; someone rang me up in the middle of the night to say they could see a 'cigar shaped' object in the sky. I went outside and I could see it too!

Jupiter and Mars were so close together that some sort pf physiological or psychological effect filled the gap between them with an optical illision. It really did look like a flying cigar, with lights at each end.
Yes; I have seen far too many UFOs to believe in them.
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eburacum45 those are all identified flying objects. Not UFOs.
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thanks eburacum45
you just reminded me in time looked up heavens-above.com and 5 miunutes later was outsidfe to watch the international space station going over it was a clear sky and right over haed.
and man does it motor across the sky.
one of my best sightings to date
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In at least three cases somebody pointed the object out to me as a UFO; these objects did not become IFOs until I explained them. One of them (the weather balloon) was explained to me by somebody else..

take the recent Mexican video of oil flares, and similarly the even more recent photos of a Centaur fuel dump; these objects remained UFOs until identified.
Such phenomena can be puzzling and mysterious right up to the moment they are identified.

Unfortunately some sightings evade explanation; but I am more and mor convinced that every supposed UFO has one or more of the following explanations;

Misidentification of known natural or manmade phenomena;
Unknown natural phenomena or secret manmade phenomena;
Hoaxes;
Hallucinations, psychological phenomena and unreliable memory after the fact.

There need not be any extraterrestrial vehicles in our skies at all.
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