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Old 15-November-2005, 09:44 PM
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Water may exsist on Mars, so long as it's salty.
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Old 17-November-2005, 05:43 PM
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Therefore....... Marsanomalyresearch.com images might well be genuine?
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It be prudent to disregard the contents of fringe websites positing tall claims (like the aforementioned).
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Therefore....... Marsanomalyresearch.com images might well be genuine?
I looked at that site, it looked like pictures of sand dunes, I don't understand why people think that NASA or anyone else would cover up evidence of what would basically amount to large lakes on another planet, if they really did find such a thing, NASA's funding problems would be over!
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It be prudent to disregard the contents of fringe websites ..........
The images are official images, it is the interpretation of them that is not mainstream.
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_.../M0901354.html

On the left, this image has what appears to be a lake in it. If NASA is government funded, then they cannot be indepedant. Governments control input and output of anything their (your) dollars fund.
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The images are official images, it is the interpretation of them that is not mainstream.
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_.../M0901354.html

On the left, this image has what appears to be a lake in it. If NASA is government funded, then they cannot be indepedant. Governments control input and output of anything their (your) dollars fund.
The imagery is public domain and readily available. My suggestion consists of viewing the imagery from the original source(s) as the fringe websites are not trustworthy.
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Old 22-November-2005, 06:22 PM
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That particular site I mentioned always lists the address from which the images are drawn, giving us the immediate option to view the original. Quite reassuring.
It is interesting to note how standing water on Mars was always a definate, catagorical, absolute no-no ... until this most recent report.

I would be interested to know if it is scientifically possible to introduce an additive to liquid water (besides the salt case) to render it un-boil-off-able, so to speak? If they plan a base on Mars, would they require surface water...or simply just silo the necessary liquids?
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Old 23-November-2005, 10:22 AM
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The images are official images, it is the interpretation of them that is not mainstream.
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_.../M0901354.html

On the left, this image has what appears to be a lake in it. If NASA is government funded, then they cannot be indepedant. Governments control input and output of anything their (your) dollars fund.
*thinks about modern art* no they don't
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University of Colorado: Mars Region Probably Less Watery In Past Than Thought, Says Study


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A region of Mars that some planetary scientists believe was once a shallow lakebed and likely habitable for life may not have been so wet after all, according to a new University of Colorado at Boulder study.

The new study indicates chemical signatures in the bedrock, interpreted in 2004 by the Mars Exploration Rover, or MER, mission team as evidence for widespread, intermittent water at Mars' surface, may have instead been created by the reaction of sulfur-bearing steam vapors moving up through volcanic ash deposits. Known as Meridiani Planum, the region may have been more geologically similar to volcanic regions in parts of North America, Hawaii or Europe, said Thomas McCollom of CU-Boulder's Center for Astrobiology.
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"We think the bedrock was laid down by enormous volcanic ash flows over time that were then permeated by sulfur dioxide-rich steam vapors," said McCollom. "The sulfur dioxide and water combined to form sulfuric acid, which reacted with and altered the bedrock to give it its present chemical composition."

The new scenario does not require prolonged interaction between bedrock and a standing body of surface water as proposed by the MER team, and the process likely occurred at high temperatures, perhaps more than 200 degrees F, said McCollom. "Everything about the site seems to be consistent with our conclusions," he said.

"In our scenario, the water required to support the chemistry in this bedrock would only have had to have been around for months, years or perhaps as much as a few centuries," said Hynek. "This is very different than previous scenarios, which require that a much larger amount of water be present for many millennia."
Nature: The waters ran shallow

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Surface features at the landing site of Opportunity, the Mars Exploration Rover, have been taken as evidence that liquid water was once abundant on Mars. But two groups now present alternative explanations of the layered structures and mineral compositions of the Meridiani Planum that do not involve a standing body of liquid water. Turbulent flow of rock fragments, salts and ice produced by meterorite impact and deposition of volcanic material followed by reaction with condensed sulphur dioxide- and water-bearing vapours, are offered as alternative explanations for the observations.
Space.com: New Studies Question Mars Water Assumptions: Popular summary of above reports and articles.

It sounds like the MER folks are sticking to their guns, confident in having more recent data:

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Squyres said a deeper understanding of the situation came when Opportunity examined Endurance Crater, where observations were made of 25 vertical feet of rock outcrops. Those results were published just a month ago, after the two Nature papers had been submitted.
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According to Astrobio Magazine, Mars may be drier than we thought.

http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules...rder=0&thold=0

MODERATOR: Merged this in from a separate thread since it's more about some of the findings mentioned above. - ToSeek
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I thought that everyone knew that the water on Mars was only a few inches deep
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I thought that everyone knew that the water on Mars was only a few inches deep

Hahaha thats a riot
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Nobody going to Mars for just salty water ! Pass the word to Zubrin !

We want beer !!!

http://www.amereaboire.com/Bieres/cartebieredemars.htm

http://www.lachope.com/bmars_02.html

http://www.saveursdumonde.net/ency_1...ieredemars.htm

Now you know what is a serious planet !
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