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Old 19-August-2006, 12:38 AM
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my solution to the fermis paradox is that the reason y we havent been visited is bc we are the only technologically advanced civilization in the galaxy. im sure there is intelligent life in the galaxy, but it would be non civilized and equal to animal life
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Whats your definition of Life and Intelligence.

Rome falls nine times and hour.
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Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea ...
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Old 19-August-2006, 05:33 AM
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i think intelligence= civilzations that are technology advanced

animals= non civilized complex life
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Old 19-August-2006, 05:43 AM
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It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons.
I could not sum it up better, just throwing out an alternative view. Anyone know who said that?
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For the discussuion to be rationally pursued, substitute technological competence for intelligence. TC plus curiosity wil drive the Europans out through that shell of ice into competition with us for organizing the universe. I hope our goals are compatible. Then come the Callistoans and the Ganymedians; before long it'll get crowded around here.
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my solution to the fermis paradox is that the reason y we havent been visited is bc we are the only technologically advanced civilization in the galaxy. im sure there is intelligent life in the galaxy, but it would be non civilized and equal to animal life
Personally I just think there is actually a limit in what we and other civilizations can do, regardless of age and undisturbed conditions of evolution, techwise speaking. It might not be possible to travel to other stars in any acceptable way. Or communicate. Without that "warpdrive", or with any other yet unimaginable way, there will be no visitations, only isolation.
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It might not be possible to travel to other stars in any acceptable way. Or communicate. Without that "warpdrive", or with any other yet unimaginable way, there will be no visitations, only isolation.
It is possible with minor improvements to current technology; although, it'll take a lot of effort. Google on "interstellar transportation". Stellar power in a collimated beam of carefully selected frequency bandwidth irradiating photovoltaic panels using recollimating relay stations as required with appropriate object detection and avoidance is my favorite. Once a technologically competent set of critters begins to move about within the MW, they will be noticed by some of the others and the number of planets harboring life will proliferate rapidly.
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I think we fail to remember that we've yet to reach Type 1 civilization, and if there are any others out there, they've had time to reach Type 2 and even 3 civilzation already, and would likely be indistinguishable from magic to us mired in our fledgling Type .7 civilization.

But this OP:
"my solution to the fermis paradox is that the reason y we havent been visited is bc we are the only technologically advanced civilization in the galaxy. im sure there is intelligent life in the galaxy, but it would be non civilized and equal to animal life" nearly pleads as special a case some consider the plenitude stance, something rare and miraculous for us to have come about.

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It is possible with minor improvements to current technology; although, it'll take a lot of effort. Google on "interstellar transportation". Stellar power in a collimated beam of carefully selected frequency bandwidth irradiating photovoltaic panels using recollimating relay stations as required with appropriate object detection and avoidance is my favorite.
Whatever technique I know of today is hardly a convenient or acceptable way to travel far in space.

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I think we fail to remember that we've yet to reach Type 1 civilization, and if there are any others out there, they've had time to reach Type 2 and even 3 civilzation already, and would likely be indistinguishable from magic to us mired in our fledgling Type .7 civilization.
I connect to what I wrote earlier. What makes you so certain there is not a limit in what we can do, techwise speaking? There is no real point in rating civilizations according to those types anyways, because it is science fiction.
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Old 21-August-2006, 05:23 PM
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As I've said before, I tend to broadly agree with the OP. We can come up with no end of ideas as to why all the civilisations have not made themselves known to us. But there's no evidence FOR those ideas, for the simple reason we have zero examples of ET civilisations on which to base things.

In the absence of anything to the contrary, logically, we have to go for the simplest explanation -and that is, we're the only technological civilisation in the galaxy.

Nature rewards fertility not brains. I think humans are a strange quirk of nature, the evolutionary result of some very special coincidences and circumstances. By most measures, insects are more successful than mammals, and they'll still be around long after mammals have gone extinct.
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