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Well I'm not aware of any legal barriers. As far as I'm aware anyone is free to listen in to radio waves from space without let or hindrance.
However, I do think there is a serious issue involved here: do we really want people intentionally broadcasting our presence around the cosmos? At the moment I don't think there's a law preventing this and may be there should. |
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My impression from brief research is that in 1981 then-Senator Proxmire got an amendment made into law that forbade NASA from spending any money on SETI. However, Carl Sagan got him to change his mind a year or so later.
Then, in 1992, NASA started a formal SETI program, formally called the High Resolution Microwave Survey. However, a year later, Congress eliminated funding for it. The present situation appears to be that NASA is not forbidden from researching SETI, but Congress is not funding any programs to do so. There's an article about NASA and SETI here (NOTE: PDF file), from which I got most of this information.
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Andromeda321 was not talking about the legality of any private individual or organization to listen in to radio waves from space. The question was whether it is legal for US government to pay for it. There are activities which are not illegal in and of themselves, but Congress had passed laws banning any use of federal funds for them.
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However, the point about us beaming 1000's of TV and radio channels via satelite is more valid, even if they aren't intentionally meant for ET. But these signals are not broadcast on a tight beam for detection at 5 or maybe 10 light years distant, only in the next block, city, country or continent. By the time they reach the edge of the solar system I would expect they are so weak as to be indistinguishable from the interstellar hiss (but no doubt someone will give us the correct figures!)
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Of course, the signals attenuate significantly, but then again we have no idea what sort of devices might be out there listening. |
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Not much to worry about. Radio waves are rapidly becoming a thing of our technological past - waste of energy. Communications will be all cable within our lifetimes. Our EM bleed off will be undetectable beyond a few light years. They are pathetically faint to begin with, so there is little to be concerned about. The universe is a very big place, ET will never find us that way.
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If there is a sufficientaly technological race out there, that is MORE than willing AND capable of travelling light-years quickly enough to feasably fight an intergalactic war, and subvert the human race... Wouldn't they have magical enough of technology to spot us easily anyways? Just sayin'. The whole, "Let's be quiet about our presence" just reeks of paranoia to me.
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In fact the powers that be (IAU, IAA) are eager to pass a banning on active SETI. If every civilization should behave the same way, well, there´s an explanation for the lack of detection, after all.
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Thanks for the responses.
As for the idea of if it's a good idea for us to make our presence known, besides the fact that it's too late to worry about this we have the aid of interstellar quarantine on our sides. Even if there were hostile creatures tuning in to the Earth nightly news, it's not like they can hop into a spaceship and get here in any fashionable amount of time.
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There was never a _law_ against SETI funding. It was merely a matter of getting NASA's budget approved. In several years, NASA's budget approval was affected by disputes regarding funding of SETI.
On 16 February 1978, Senator William Proxmire (D-Wis) awarded NASA his “Golden Fleece” for proposing to use taxpayer money on SETI. Several months later, NASA SETI funds were stricken from the 1979 HUD appropriation bill. In July 1981, Senator William Proxmire (D-Wis) successfully proposed an amendment to eliminate NASA “subsistence level” funding of SETI (which the Senator referred to as “insterstellar conversation”). On 1 October 1982, Congress approved a budget line which reinstated funding of NASA’s attempts to detect extraterrestrial radio signals. During 1991, Representative Ronald Machtley of Rhode Island proposed elimination of SETI funding from NASA’s budget, asking “If, in fact, there is a superintelligent form of life out there, might it be easier just to listen and let them call us?”. Silvio Conte of Massachusetts supported that motion, stating that to find evidence of these “rascally creatures”, “we only need 75 cents to buy a tabloid at the local supermarket”. It appears that no-one told Representative Machtley that the SETI funding _was_ was listening... Kind Regards, Isaac Koi |
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It appears that no-one told Representative Machtley that the SETI funding _was_ was listening...
No one ever suggested you had to be intelligent to go into politics.
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After all, the "war in Iraq" is a huge war, surrounding much of the world. ![]()
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