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Aliens are friends 25 51.02%
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Old 20-September-2007, 05:33 AM
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Old 20-September-2007, 11:09 AM
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It is unsettling that whenever the topic of aliens comes up, rank misanthropy is sure to follow. A lot of people seem to use the concept of intelligent life as some sort of foil to express their frustration with our "evilness".

Besides, how often do wars start because of single diplomatic faux-pas during first contact? Aren't most of them over intractably conflicting goals?
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Old 20-September-2007, 12:04 PM
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Tell that to the Aztecs.
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Old 20-September-2007, 03:55 PM
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Besides, how often do wars start because of single diplomatic faux-pas during first contact? Aren't most of them over intractably conflicting goals?
Only after the invention of the nation-state. And not always even then. If enough people in a group want war, there's war. If the right people in a hierarchy want war, there's war.
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Old 20-September-2007, 03:59 PM
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If we do get attacked by aliens who can cross interstellar space, let's hope they're here to invade or enslave, not wipe us out. because we can fight them if they come in person, but a k-weapon moving at .999c will hit us before we know there's a problem.
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Old 20-September-2007, 09:32 PM
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There really should be a third choice, as said by others: "I don't know."

I think the only thing we can speculate about WRT alien motivations is that we can't speculate about alien motives. We needn't look beyond Earth to see how daunting the possibilities are. The worldview and perceptions of familiar animals like dolphins and parrots would be very strange to us, and that's only the beginning.

Imagine what it would be like to be an intelligent ant: tiny, nearly blind, a subterranean lifestyle, a world dominated by touch and smell, and no sense of individuality. That is, IMO, at the edge of our abilities, and we're talking about a creature that has evolved on Earth with us. How much more different would an alien be, with a different evolutionary history and different planet, even if the planet was broadly similar to ours?
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Old 20-September-2007, 10:26 PM
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I think it was on this thread that I said this thread was made for speculation not facts and animals and insects are so different I think one of them are from a different planet altogether so a planet like ours but with a different history may not even have animals or insects. So it would be a very different world even if they where similiar. Good point.
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Old 20-September-2007, 10:51 PM
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I think it was on this thread that I said this thread was made for speculation not facts and animals and insects are so different I think one of them are from a different planet altogether so a planet like ours but with a different history may not even have animals or insects. So it would be a very different world even if they where similiar. Good point.
calls for a LOT of speculating...
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Old 21-September-2007, 01:07 AM
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Yep anyone with speculations on aliens please come forth and tell us your ideas.
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Old 21-September-2007, 03:16 PM
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I wouldn't imagine that a sentient alien species to be moral or immoral at all, and I wouldn't assume that they would have any understanding our aspects of cultural morality. I tend to think they would simply be amoral.

If such a species had developed a means to cross vast interstellar distances, then it may be safe to assume that they would be considerably older than we are. Would a species such as this really even recognize us as being sentient as well? For all we know, an extraterrestrial species could very well regard us as little more than an ant colony, our own over-inflated sense of self-importance notwithstanding.

Friend? Foe? My money is on "indifferent."
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Old 21-September-2007, 04:09 PM
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It would take considerable effort to cross interstellar space just to fight someone. Why would they bother? As large as the universe is, there's plenty of room to ignore each other.
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Old 21-September-2007, 04:25 PM
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It would take considerable effort to cross interstellar space just to fight someone. Why would they bother? As large as the universe is, there's plenty of room to ignore each other.
One would think there would be no reason for fighting. I can think of no reasonable reason to fight. Of course they might think bipedalism is a sin.
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Old 21-September-2007, 05:44 PM
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One would think there would be no reason for fighting. I can think of no reasonable reason to fight. Of course they might think bipedalism is a sin.
So, eliminating competition for resources or space, the possible reasons for war are:

A; They want to eliminate all competing sapience.

B; They want to conquer, enslave, and/or forcibly convert us

If A, then they could do so using methods which we'd have no defense from except dispersing our population as widely as possible. If B, then we'd need to fight. If they arrive before we've colonized space (more than just Earth orbit, I mean), they'd hold the high ground. It would be very difficult to totally defeat them if that were the case.
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Old 21-September-2007, 07:18 PM
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If they went around killing people just because they can they will fall. All great empires fall and when they fall they fall hard. If they were smart enough to travel though the universe at higher speeds than we can imagine they wouldn't **** the universe off for no reason. It doesn't add up.
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Do you know how many cultures have been completely exterminated in the last 500 years? Believe me, it isn't that hard to destroy a civilisation. And you don't necessarily get any comuppance.
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Old 21-September-2007, 08:25 PM
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If they came from a different world they most likely woudn't act like us so you can't use an example of us and compare to an alien.
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Old 21-September-2007, 09:22 PM
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I think I'll take a cue from Will Smith in Independence day...

I don't think that if aliens come to visit Earth, they'll come all this way just to start a fight.... or something like that.
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As some one other say, i would pick "indifferent".

By the way: some people here claims that our present intelligence is enough to make difference. Unfortunately, I do not see anything impossible in existence of beings that will be more than us like we are more than animals. So comparsions to ants in their eyes still apply (very, very roughly).
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Well, I'm a friend, don't worry.
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If they went around killing people just because they can they will fall. All great empires fall and when they fall they fall hard.
I think you need to cite this statement. When they fall they fall hard? Perhaps some empires did "fall" but the majority, like Rome, simply petered out.
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If they were smart enough to travel though the universe at higher speeds than we can imagine they wouldn't **** the universe off for no reason. It doesn't add up.
Asterisks?

Much of behavior doesn't add up. I think you oversimplified your reasoning.
Think of a p