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It could be that in most alien environments, there are usually lots of caustic acid pools or lots of poison producing molds. Distributed sense of smell/taste throughout the skin might be the rule rather than the exception. Specialized smell/taste organs might be as uncommon as specialized temperature sensors here on Earth (pit vipers can directionally sense heat with crude thermal vision "eyes"). Quote:
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Note that we can trace all vertebrates with jointed limbs to a particular progenitor lobe finned fish. That might have been a freak occurrence. Snails made it on land. Quote:
Also, there are multi-cellular creatures which simply absorb nutrients directly from the soil and air/water. Actually, almost all life-as-we-know-it absorbs at least one nutrient from the air/water (oxygen). In my speculations on non-predatory intelligent aliens, the aliens get all of their energy from sunlight, and absorb nutrients from the water and air. While this sounds unusual, we don't know...it might be the rule rather than the exception. Quote:
But I'm more intrigued by the opposite possibility--creatures where individuals don't even have just one genetic code. We take it as a given that a creature will have just one genetic code, but that's not true of lichens, and it's not true of chimeras. In the extreme, aliens might be gestalt collections of genetically distinct sub-creatures. They could even have genetic variation on a cellular level...even a sub-cellular level (like a slime mold, there could be multiple genetic nuclei within each cell). Such gestalt creatures might have a distinct advantage in highly volatile environments requiring constant adaption. What if that's the rule? It might be that most aliens are hyperadaptors that evolve on a cellular level rather than an organism level. On a macroscopic level, they just directly pop out offspring buds. They might find our lumbering evolution process of sex, death, and natural selection rather fascinating in its bizarre inefficiency. The entire concept of disease may be alien to them. "Viruses? That's something that only happens to computers!" Quote:
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BTW, I took Ronald's post to mean, "These are things that will be sufficiently common that we will see them at least some of the time," rather than, "These are inevitable because no alternative exists." |
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An interesting discussion. I agree with what most people have stated as to life forms being very different from us, because of the multitude of different evolutionary factors involved. I do however think that because of the sheer size of the Universe, life probably takes on similar shapes from time to time. Kind of like a horse and a sea horse having somewhat similar looking head shapes, even if one animal is a land animal and the other is a sea animal.
With billions of stars making up an average galaxy and billions of galaxies out there; I bet somewhere out there, there is something that looks or looked like us. When you have a huge range of possibilities, I wouldn't count out the ole Star Trek type aliens out completely. Who knows, maybe there is or was, a Jubba the Hutt out there in some other galaxy, far far away. |
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However unlike in Star Trek the occurance of such humanoid forms is more likely to be the exception rather than the norm. Furthermore I would offer very long odds against them existing in our galactic neighbourhood. If your search area extends out to include around 50 galaxies then then odds of finding a humanoid species might just be worth considering but finding any humanoids within 300 light years of us? I doubt it.
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Define 'human face'. Some features of the human face are environmentally optimal - having two, forward facing eyes for one. Having your nose adjacent to your mouth allows them to share receptors (seeing as they have similar functions) and having them on the same side of your head as your eyes allows you to put things in your mouth or put them under your nose to smell them. You've a lot of elements of the face right there.
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1. Communicates by sound within human hearing range, and humans learn to understand and speak its language with no more difficulty than learning some tougher Earth languages. 2. COmmunicates by ultrasound, radio, chromatophores, etc. In all these case humans need some artificial interface. I think that sound generation is a very efficient method of communication, and it is entirely possible that we could hear an alien speech. What I do not believe is that we could process it. Just like our visual brain center is tuned to recognize and analyze human faces, our audial center is tuned to recognize and analyze human sounds. We can hear fine distinctions between human sounds; we can not hear equally fine distinctions between nonhuman ones. If that does not make sense, here is an example: Rhesus monkeys have at least 30 distinct cries. Each cry has a distinct meaning -- a cry for "eagle!" calls for very different response than a cry for "snake!". Primatologists needed digital sound analysis to identify these cries. To a human ear they all sound the same.
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I'll expand a little on what I wrote before about what might be fairly common amoung intelligent aliens. First I'll mention that I am writing about aliens that are roughly analogous to life on earth and that we could look at when it's active and say, "Yep that's alive!" For all we know the most common form of life in the universe lives in molten metal, the photospheres of stars or the metallic hydrogen layer of gas giants, but I feel the need to limit myself.
The things I mentioned are characteristics I think might be fairly common among beings at a "Wear your old biological body" party on Vega. (Please correct me if I'm wrong KaiYeves.) I don't think they are things we will definitely see, just what seems likely to be popular. Basically they are things that have evolved independantly on earth several times which suggests they are broadly useful adaptions that may help ooffworld species as well. Jointed limbs of one sort of another have evolved among diverse groups of animals, suggesting that joints are fairly popular. Even starfish have jointed limbs but this demonstrates how very different joints can be. An alien with human limb proportions is unlikely to exist because even our closest relative, the chimpanzee, has significantly different limb length from us. Then look at a cow or an emu leg and see just where they locate their toes, ankles and knees, and they are all just modifications of the same basic design, alien motility limbs could be very different. Some things have only evolved once on earth and so these are unlikely to be common. For example, vertebrates (phylum chordata) are the only animals that breath through their mouths. Since this is unlikely to be repeated on other worlds it makes it very unlikely that alien communication will involve making sounds that humans can easily replicate. It also means that there won't be human like faces with a "nose" above a mouth. Since humans have a habit of seeing faces that aren't really there it's possible we might think we have found an alien's face when actually the alien will be wondering why you spend all your time trying to communicate with its butt (And no doubt the aliens will refer to earth as planet of the buttfaces, but this sort of confusion does make those alien abduction stories you hear just a little more believable, doesn't it?) |