I ain't gotta prove a thing. Your assertion, your burden of proof.

May or may not be true, define what you mean by " higher consciousness" (or just plain old consciousness, for that matter) and maybe you'll be in a position to make such a statement.

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something that is more aware....

See my sig. Prove there isn't an invisible elf in my backyard.

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You just proved me right.

You're trying to say that I can't objectively prove anything. Prove it. Exactly.

Just the opposite, actually.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

you've proven me right again, thanks.

I told you again and again, don't mix the red and blue pills.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Damn, which was which again
(blue=wake-up-to-reality?? red=stay-in-the-matrix???)

The way I look at it, there is the universe of perceptions, influenced by groupthink, beliefs, as well as the mental machinary we are born with. Then there is the universe of science, which strives to find the most plasuible answers with the least number of assumptions. Then there is the universe that science tries to discover. That is how I look at it anyway.

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Science isn't really a "universe" of it's own by that description, it's more a method of filtering those perceptions, to weed out the unreliable ones.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Perhaps I should have said world instead. Besides, science can discover quantum physics, a world that goes almost completely against 'common sense'.

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Yes, but it was 'discovered' by observing, normal, everyday, common sense phenomena. My gut feeling is that QM is just the tip of an undiscovered 'country' and that once we get a deeper understanding of the underlying reality (if possible), the seemingly metaphysical aspects of QM will disappear. While Einstein held similar views in his day and way pretty much defeated by the quantum mechanics of the day, I still think there is a deeper layer of reality which gives rise to what we see as QM.

Interesting angle!

That would imply that we basically have to shed part of this evolutionary baggage of misperceptions we are born with, in oder to get closer to reality.
Actually, no minor feat for a being with billions of years of evolutionary legacy to shed!

If you say so. That isn't what I thought I was implying. They arn't misconspetions as much as preconspetions. I don't think we can acess the deepest layer of reality, we are blinded by our sight.

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I think we have plenty of both!