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Old 16-January-2008, 08:38 PM
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Has E.T. Made A Call?

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Across the globe, researchers searching for signs of life in space were abuzz this week with word that a mystery signal has been picked up by a giant radio-telescope in Puerto Rico.

Now the dilemma is -- how do you answer it?

Dan Wertheimer of the UC Berkeley SETI Project, said the dilemma is compounded by the fact that the signal may never be completely decoded.

"We probably won't be able to decode it," he said. "We'll know something's out there, but we won't know much about their civilization."
This is the only place I've seen this story so far, so I'm kind of skeptical.
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Old 16-January-2008, 08:48 PM
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I would like to think if a truely confirmed signal from some otherworldly civilization was picked up, that it would at least be a bulleted headline on CNN.com.... or MSNBC.... or Weekly World News...well, mabye not WWN.

As for how to answer it, I'd advise to make sure it's not a collect call first. Can you imagine that phone bill? Yeash!
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The BA is looking into it.

I was thinking this was a story from today, but then I realized it's actually from yesterday, which makes me even more skeptical since it's not been picked up by anyone else.
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Follow up, from article:
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According to the famous Drake Equation, astronomers estimate there are an estimated 10,000 intelligent civilizations just in our galaxy, the nearest one is likely very far away, but many scientists urge caution when it comes to initiating contact.
They estimate that there's an estimated ammount of civilizations? Just like those lazy astronomers to not even bother estimating something, but instead estimating what that estimate would be!

Oh, and run on, sweet sentance, run on!
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SETI Report Bogus

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Just off the phone with Seth Shostak, I can report that the KTVU story discussed below about a possible SETI reception is bogus. Apparently the reporter involved misinterpreted the conversation, as we had surmised. We may get a successful reception of an extraterrestrial civilization one of these days, but this wasn’t it.
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I predict this article is a pastiche of other stories, by a reporter who misunderstood something.

The Shostak 2025 quote is surely something dredged up from other stories, back when he was making that prediction. It's not a response someone would give when asked about a new signal. (National Geographic: Alien Life? Astronomers Predict Contact by 2025)

Then, recently, SETI asked for more @home help, because their data volume bloomed: Press Association: ET hunt seeks more home computers

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Astronomers involved in the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (Seti) are being flooded with new data from the world's largest radio telescope. Buried somewhere within in it might be the alien signal scientists have been looking for since 1960.
Theory: reporter saw that, was confused, thought data must mean signal, and asked someone at SETI (Wertheimer?) about the Arecibo data. And Wertheimer replied something about if there was a signal then the SETI folks might have trouble decoding it.

Thus, from nothing, something was made. I bet.

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Edit: See also: BA Blog: No alien signal

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Edit: And don't forget to share with KTVU your appreciation for facts and how disappointed you were that their article contained so few of them and mangled the ones it did have. They love feedback. (Contact KTVU.) It makes them better journalists.
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I predict this article is a pastiche of other stories, by a reporter who misunderstood something.
That's about how it reads, as if it were three articles lumped together.
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The hints are all there; the lack of publicity, "We'll know something's out there" instead of "we know", etc.

I went to look up the original, but "Article Not Available". Must have realized their blooper and swept it under the ol' deep pile shag.
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I went to look up the original, but "Article Not Available". Must have realized their blooper and swept it under the ol' deep pile shag.
Maybe our feedback helped. More likely, feedback from the actual participants at SETI helped.

I bet Seth Shostak was pretty quick to get on the telephone with KTVU to inquire into the astounding parallel universe that their reporter must have visited.
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The hints are all there; the lack of publicity, "We'll know something's out there" instead of "we know", etc.

I went to look up the original, but "Article Not Available". Must have realized their blooper and swept it under the ol' deep pile shag.
As of this writing, it's still available through Google cache if you didn't have a chance to read it and actually want to. I agree it looks like bits and pieces stuck together.
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Yeah, this has been a pretty good day, but it wasn't that good.
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The hints are all there; the lack of publicity, "We'll know something's out there" instead of "we know", etc.

I went to look up the original, but "Article Not Available". Must have realized their blooper and swept it under the ol' deep pile shag.
There is now a much humbler article in its place.
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'ET' Signal May Have Natural Cause


BERKELEY, Calif. -- On Monday, KTVU reported scientists have received an odd signal from space and some readers may have interpreted this as a confirmed extra-terrestrial contact.
...I have no comment at this time.
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I do. KTVU is entering jerk-journalism territory by blaming the readers for misinterpreting, when the fault lays clearly with the reporter's bollixed-up message about the message. Their shame should be growing.
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I do. KTVU is entering jerk-journalism territory by blaming the readers for misinterpreting, when the fault lays clearly with the reporter's bollixed-up message about the message. Their shame should be growing.
It seems like thier original story is in the video, how can anyone mis-interpret what they said? It was very clear they reported on ET.
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Has a SETI Signal Been Detected?

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A news story from television station KTVU, Oakland (California) that appeared on the internet on January 15 has led some to believe that a credible radio signal from space may have been recently detected - a signal that might be ascribable to extraterrestrial intelligence.

This story, while obviously exciting, is somewhat misleading, and derives from some miscommunication between the reporter and Dan Werthimer, who runs the University of California, Berkeley SETI program.
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Sounds quite watered down to not insult the media which you may need for later stories.

Led to believe?
Somewhat misleading?
Miscommunication? I guess that applies when you hear what you want.
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