Did the dinosaurs 'want' to be human? Did Eohippus want to be human? Did Hallucigenia want to be human?

What proof do you have of the desires of ancient species, and what proof do you have that any such desire affects evolution?
And , above all, what proof do you have of the desires of alien organisms?

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Will you freaking STOP going around in circles? I've already explained this so many times before... serioisly man either quote my entire post and try to refute each of my points or don't post at all. It's getting REALLy annoying...

I'll do this ONE last time for you. Each time you come up with the same hogwash that I've already refuted, I'm just going to post quotes of mine.

Desire IS the drive, the path to become human. The more soemthign wants, the more something lsuts, the more something needs, the more human it wants to be. Yes, the dinosaurs wanted to be human.... what can't you understsand about this... I've already said countless times that the goal of evolution is humanity, now why cant you put 2 and 2 together there and then apply it to all of your other questions?

You cannot simply state something as outlandish as that without providing your proof; at least not on this board. You cannot demonstrate that the Dinosaurs wanted to become human because
1/ They didn't in fact become human,
and
2/ They didn't even know what humans were, so could not have had a desire to become human.

But perhaps you know different?

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I have NEVER said that.

The american and african cheetahs were most likely breedable. Yet of coursee, their forms were not final (human), so they are obviously going to have trouble producing VIABLE offspring. Any offspring they would produce, however, would without a doubt be incredibly fast runners. Some say a few specimens of the american cheetah shows that at least a few individuals ran almost 80 mph tops. The cheetah only gets up to 70, afaik.

Because the conditions for humans to become wat they are would in the end run be the same as it has been on earth for us. So naturally their genetic 'blueprint' would mirror our own.

Lol, not true. Any organism can eventually evolve human characteristics under the right circumstances. Mammals derived from reptiles, they from fish, they from cells, cells from amino acids, etc etc etc. All the bizarre animals in our ancestry proves that any animal could eventually evolve into human beings given enough time and challenge. Of course, this is assuming that they have no competition and therefore will not die out. In a 'controlled' labratory test that ran for millions of years, if it were possible, although impractical, we could evolve any organism into a human being with enough coercian. Of course this 'lab test' would be out int he open, with no boundaries. We coud simply change the environment and put pressure on those beings. But then of course we risk killing off the other animals that would naturally outcompete the animals we are protecting.

There is no such thing as identical. Like I said, even 'identical twins' have differing DNA. Certainly the most crucial requirement in alien worlds would be seasons. But, that doesn't necessarily mean 4 seasons like here on earth. Modern humans were almost fully modern before they ventured into the ice wilderness. But of course naturally humans are curious, adventurous creatures, so naturally all human beings everywhere in the universe will venture into all different types of climates to challenge themselves.

Humans kill everything, why would you want to contact us ?

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the goal of evolution is humanity... now put 2 and 2 together.

1)That's because they died out
2)Desire IS the reason we exist, and all desire eventually leads to humanity, given enough time and a stable planet.

Perhaps because they want us to stop and would know how to get us to.

Humanoids which have evolved from creatures which are not hominids would not be hominids, and would have entirely different DNA.

As I have pointed out before, convergence does not lead to species which are mutually fertile. Chetahs are all felidae, and are all closely related. How could a humanthat has evolved from something which is not an ape have comparable DNA to our own?

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We evolved from ape like creatures yet we do not have ape dna, although we share much of ours with them.

I never said 'convergent' evolution ALWAYS leads EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL to be interbreedable with the other similar animals.

Naturally, all human beings derive from something ape like. But they aren't necessarily exactly like our ancestors, and that doesn't amtter, because eventually they will narrow down and becme mre and more smiliar as environmental pressure forces them to. But we all come from reptiles, and ultimately, the emptiness of the ocean, the explosion of a super nova, the gravity of everything.

Evolution has only one goal- survival. Humanity is a chance byproduct. What mechanism do you propose to make humanity tthe goal of every species, living and dead, throughout the universe? It seems to be a very inefficient process, as it has only acheived its goal once on this planet.

Once again, what proof do you have that this desire of creatures to become human exists?

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ROFL. That'sw hy we exist, because of chance. ROFL.

You're not telling me anything different. What's the best way to survive? To know how... and what's the best way to know how? To know everything... which by default, makes yoiu live forever, which by default, makes you HUMAN.

End of story.

Most human DNA is identical to ape DNA, and the differences show that we evolved from them relatively recently. The rate of change of a species DNA over time can be measured; this is known as a molecular clock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_clock
Far from becoming more and more similar (converging); different species which are separated without the possibility of crossbreeding diverge measurably over time. You can't get more separate than on different planets.

Any humanoid species which did by some astronomical chance resemble humanity genetically would soon diverge and become different, simply because of this molecular clock phenomenon.

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Humans live forever? Your proof, please?

And why would knowing everything make you human? I suspect that something much larger than human would be required to obtain that goal. Something comparable in size to the universe- humans would not function well on that scale.

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Actually, identical twins have identical DNA. Fraternal twins may differ in their genetics.

We've been over some similar ground in a different thread. This guy goes nuts at anyone who doesn't share his strange worldview.

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WRong.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0215121214.htm

You really know nothing, you just pretend to. And as I've just proven you wrong about identical twins,I'm going to prove you wrong about everything else you've said.

WE've already been over this. Stop going around in circles. You are SO lame for nitpicking everything I say like a 5 year old. What do you expect to accomplish by dping that? You're not going to 'win'.

The first life forms on earth that are omniscient will be human. It'sthe same thing as comparing an asian to cro-magnon. Cro-magnon was obviously superior to him in every way, because he was superior to everyon ealive on earth today. Yet, we're still human, despite not knowing as much as he did.

Because we are the only ones that have been able to fathom such an idea (omniscience).

Compare our brains to any other object. We are small creatures, we're not huge, yet some human know quite a bit. It's obvious it doesn't take something large to know a lot, and certainly as knowing everything would be simple and not complicated, as it would not be based on thought or memory, it wouldn't require too much more brain mass to be omniscient.

Now you're just talking nonsense with no evidence to backit up. Something as large as that would not survive long, no matter how 'smart' it is. Of course, sexual selection would prevent such a creature from being born anyway.

Omniscience is defined as knowing everything about the universe; That would require that all the data in the universe, including details about the location of all the atoms and subatomic particles in the universe, be available for analysis. This would require a database at least as large as the universe; a brain 13 billion light years in radius just to contain knowledge of all the atoms in the Hubble Volume. As I said before, humans do not function very well if they are expanded to be billions of light years in radius.

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Ok, lets look at the stats:
Coelacanths: 410,000,000 years
Cockroaches: 300,000,000 years
Crocodiles: 84,000,000 years
Homo Sapiens: 200,000 years
Seems like your assertion that humans are the best survivors is kinda premature, like by a few hundred million years.

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