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Old 13-March-2008, 01:56 AM
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Doesn't answer my question.
You're right, I didn't. Earth is an open system.

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Well, as I understand it, until recently such handedness was considered a result of biological processes. It seems that finding such characteristics in space borne molecules is what prompted speculation about natural processes being the cause. Instead of suggesting this handedness might possibly reflect biological processes in space, or off planet, we're given some unknown natural process with a widespread and long cosmic lineage explanation.
Yes, we learn new things about the universe and its various contents all the time. Never know what the evidence will reveal.
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You're right, I didn't. Earth is an open system.

Yes, we learn new things about the universe and its various contents all the time. Never know what the evidence will reveal.
Indeed!

More on amino acids in space:
Space rocks brought life's material.

"It's an argument that's been made before. But the prevalence of amino acids strengthens the reasoning."

Note the "made before" links to an article on panspermia.

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Note the "made before" links to an article on panspermia.

Well, there you go. Undeniable proof.
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"Undeniable proof"?

Nah, just another tidbit in the growing pile of astrobiological evidence which supports the life from space hypothesis.

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Nah, just another tidbit in the growing pile of astrobiological evidence which supports the life from space hypothesis.
Er, no. It supports what we already knew-- that life makes use of materials common throughout the Universe. That's not evidence of life on Earth actually originating in space.
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Meteorites delivered the "seeds" of Earth's left hand life.

"This work is related to the probability that there is life somewhere else,” said Breslow. “Everything that is going on on Earth occurred because the meteorites happened to land here. But they are obviously landing in other places. If there is another planet that has the water and all of the things that are needed for life, you should be able to get the same process rolling.”

Yeah, I know... just throw this in the non supportive pile of what we already knew.
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Meteorites delivered the "seeds" of Earth's left hand life.

"This work is related to the probability that there is life somewhere else,” said Breslow. “Everything that is going on on Earth occurred because the meteorites happened to land here. But they are obviously landing in other places. If there is another planet that has the water and all of the things that are needed for life, you should be able to get the same process rolling.”

Yeah, I know... just throw this in the non supportive pile of what we already knew.
No A DIM you are once again making the wrong connections. As has just been stated all this evidence proves is the the materials life needed to get going on earth are common in space and that includes some organic chemicals as well as inorganic ones. The only conclusion one can draw from this is that elsewhere in our Galaxy there will have been many other planets which were bombarded with these Amino acids. Many of those planets will have been totally unsuited to the emergence of any form of life which we would understand as Life. Some of those planets (though we have as yet no way of knowing how many, if any) may have have had similar masses, temperature ranges and water content to earth. While that would have at least meant that they were possible candidates for the emergence of life the Jury is still out as to whether any life actually emerged there.

All we can say is the raw materials for life are common in space. Therefore given the right conditions life might have a better chance of getting started. Unfortunately the only place we presently know of that had/has the right condidtions for that to happen is this lump of rock we are living on. That is not evidence of Panspermia. For all we know now earth still could be the only place within 500 light years where everything happened to come together.

Maybe as planet finding astronomy improves over the next 100 years we will be able to fill in some more gaps in that knowledge but it is at this time reckless to make assumptions about such planets without the hard evidence to back it up.
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"once again making the wrong connections?"

Tell me, 3rdvogon, what connections are implicit in what I said?

But I don't think applying the principle of mediocrity, or copernican principle, in making assumptions about cosmic chemistry is reckless in any way.
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Tell me, 3rdvogon, what connections are implicit in what I said?

But I don't think applying the principle of mediocrity, or copernican principle, in making assumptions about cosmic chemistry is reckless in any way.
But Earth has different conditions than outer space. So to assume that Earth is typical compared to all other parts of the Universe is just dead wrong. Here, we have and had a huge concentration of organic and inorganic matter, liquid water and the insulating atmosphere to maintain it, strong protection from cosmic rays, a relatively stable range of temperatures, and a mix of chemicals washed all around by ocean currents and interacting in varied temperatures and conditions. Mars had some of these factors, to a much lesser degree, for a lot less time. Asteroids? Comets? Both batting zero for zero.
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It sounds like you're saying earth is special, unusual in some way; that applying the principle of mediocrity is reckless...
I disagree.

Can you show how physics and chemistry on earth differ from the rest of the universe?
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It sounds like you're saying earth is special, unusual in some way; that applying the principle of mediocrity is reckless...
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Can you show how physics and chemistry on earth differ from the rest of the universe?
They don't, they are applied in different ways, for the reasons I said above. And yes, Earth conditions are "special" compared to every place in the Universe that has different conditions. That's the very definition of special.
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