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As far as we know, life only exists on our planet (in the whole universe). I disagree with this notion in general, because of the astronomical size (no pun intended) of the universe.
If we're accepting the fact that life can form elsewhere (as I am for the sake of this thread, and in general), I've got a few questions. They're majoratively personal opinion questions, so I don't expect "Correct" or "incorrect" answers. Life can form on planets, this we know. Theoretically, life can form on moons. If life was to be found on a moon, say Europa (microbial), this would prove that life could form on moons rather than just planets. What repercussions do you believe this would have? (Both political, social and Religious) If the life wasn't microbial (Fish, for instance) same question. This would result in a great change in the believed "Habitable" zone for life considerably. Might it even mean that life could exist on a Rouge Planet system (or around a brown dwarf)? With the heat used for life being generated through Geothermal Tidal forces? |
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Asimov (not only a sci-fi writer but a biochemistry professor) wrote an essay in the 60s outlining posible biochemistrys for life on ALL the planets of the solar system.... so the thought is not new.
Moon or planet... why would that matter?? Life is life is life. Just finding a different ecology of lifeforms ANYWHERE would be the big news, not the details themselves.... |
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You're missing the point though. A planet like Europa gets the majority of its energy from geothermal energy generated as a result of tidal forces from orbiting its parent, unless I'm mistaken.
This means that if life were to exist on such a planet, life might exist around any type of star (almost any), not just in the habitable zone around main sequence. |
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Life could even survive on moons of planets wandering in deep space according to David Stevenson, who wrote a paper called "Possibility of Life Sustaining Planets in Interstellar Space"
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet |
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No, the HZ only relates to planets with Earthlike surface conditions and atmosphere.
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In astronomical terms, yes. In terms of actual habitability, per the OP, not really. I've read that Venus would be habitable if it had an earth-like geology and geophysics. The same might be true of Mars.
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An Earth-like geology requires active plate tectonics. I remember reading somewhere that liquid water was required for plate tectonics.
If it would be too hot on venus for liquid water to form (in relative abundance) under primordial circumstances, plate tectonics freezes up and you have modern day venus. So, Liquid water would play an extremely large role in the formation of life, not just required for life itself, but also required for the circumstance that begin life to come around. |
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Not having a magnetosphere is a result no plate tectonics, at least, that's what I thought...
And quite frankly, I don't know what venus' slow rotation is caused by, although I imagine maybe a large-impact a very long time ago... |
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The prevailing theory is that Venus used to rotate faster and in the normal direction, but Solar tidal effects on the massively dense atmosphere pulled the planet to a stop, then slightly to retrograde.
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Of course, it could just be a case of "tastes great/less filling". An impact could have slowed it partially, and the atmosphere drag did the rest.
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But that presents somewhat of a chicken-egg problem. For the sun to alter to rotation of Venus via tides on the atmosphere presupposes the atmosphere was already there. So, if the loss or lack of a magnetosphere caused the loss of liquid surface water, it must have been unrelated to the planet's rotation. Or maybe the atmosphere was even more massive long ago with lots of water vapor due to heating from the younger, hotter sun and/or geology.
Hmmm, maybe I just answered my own question. Perhaps the atmosphere was just too massive, and when the water vapor was dissociated and blown off after the planetary dynamo/magnetosphere, the planet's effective diameter shrank, and the smaller diameter started moving faster (in the direction of the tide's momentum) like a skater pulling in her arms. Does that make sense?
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The lack of magnetosphere has only a tiny effect on atmosphere loss. For something the mass of Venus' atmosphere, it's far too small to disperse enough to make much difference.
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Yes, really. There's a great suspicion that the various UFO sightings are getting people prepared to accept these demons-in-the-guise-of-aliens. |
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Which fundamentalist "type" groups? I live in an area thick with Bible-thumping fundies, and I've never heard that one.
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http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007Natur.450..650B http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007Natur.450..629S
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