Why the aliens will be nice - Page 3

clint · #61 (**permalink**) 30-April-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmocrazy

Remember that star trek movie about that alien ship which goes back to visit earth and finds the hump back whales extinct. They couldn't care less about us humans!

Although that was not because they dismissed humans,
but because the previous time they had come, humans and apes didn't exist yet,
so they had found whales the most intelligent species on the planet.

The alien probe had no AI, and thus couldn't adjust to the new situation...

dnj123 · #62 (**permalink**) 01-May-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by newmac

This is a very charged subject; but I suspect that if they are unfathomably advanced; they certainly will not be angry charging chimps. They would be smart enough to know we'd be scared and aggressive and would probably fire first. They'd want to avoid all that silliness.
So they would not land on the White House Lawn. Forget that Hollywood garbage.

They won't be invading earth for our diamonds, not when some stars are made of diamond. They would not be in need of our oxygen. Our atmospheric pressures, might not be to their liking; our star might be far too dim; our gravity far too heavy. They don't need our livestock for food nor our water to drink. They don't need our land, as there is plenty of real estate in space. We have to rid ourselves of what Hollywood and Television has presented to us; Angry Klingons with dark eyebrows intent upon conquering half a galaxy. It doesn't work that way except on bad television episodes. The really smart creatures cooperate. Thankfully we are insulated by the light years and too primitive to understand how to tap into the wormhole rapid transit system. We are the violent ones; the primitives of the primitive. Not them. We would frighten them. Just look at the dim primitive creature who currently holds the office of the Presidency. They'd hot foot it out of here so damn fast when they discovered that fact....

at any rate; if it takes you 900 years to build a starship; you won't be playing with nuclear weapons....

They will be angry. NASA and others will be issued a galactic summons for:

1312312-123213-section C:2-4AAA :
Negligently launching potentially deadly deep space probes

57657657678-789687567856675-section C:399 (Pristine laws):
Littering the Moon, Mars, and other planets with robots, flags, and other synthetic objects

3434-9090, code 44A: Urinating in space

trinitree88 · #63 (**permalink**) 04-May-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dnj123

They will be angry. NASA and others will be issued a galactic summons for:

1312312-123213-section C:2-4AAA :
Negligently launching potentially deadly deep space probes

57657657678-789687567856675-section C:399 (Pristine laws):
Littering the Moon, Mars, and other planets with robots, flags, and other synthetic objects

3434-9090, code 44A: Urinating in space

dnj123. I disagree. They will be happy.
1.Deep space probes show the willingness of the many to accept some personal sacrifice to collectively advance the knowledge of their race.
2. Try as we might, no satellite that left this planet is known to be perfectly free of microorganisms, hence we have already seeded life as we know it in multiple environments. Noble.
3. The urine produced in space can be passed through a reverse osmosis membrane, and the water recovered..."gray" water is already being drunk in California. The urea can be recovered from an evaporite and sprayed on lettuce, collards, cabbage, arugula, spinach...( your leaf crops are already aerial sprayed with a light soapy solution this way from crop-dusting planes)...foliar feeding works best at sunrise when the stomata are open, and the soap helps water droplets wet the leaf surfaces more efficiently.
4. If you go to Australia to study the kangaroos....do you bother to have lunch with them?

pete

Noclevername · #64 (**permalink**) 06-May-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by trinitree88

1.Deep space probes show the willingness of the many to accept some personal sacrifice to collectively advance the knowledge of their race.

The Great Pyramids show that individuals will accept great personal sacrifice so their God-Kings can rest easy in the afterlife. Yet Ancient Egypt-- and the modern one-- still had wars.

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2. Try as we might, no satellite that left this planet is known to be perfectly free of microorganisms, hence we have already seeded life as we know it in multiple environments. Noble.

Except we forgot to give it the capacity to survive in its new environment. Oops.

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3. The urine produced in space can be passed through a reverse osmosis membrane, and the water recovered..."gray" water is already being drunk in California. The urea can be recovered from an evaporite and sprayed on lettuce, collards, cabbage, arugula, spinach...( your leaf crops are already aerial sprayed with a light soapy solution this way from crop-dusting planes)...foliar feeding works best at sunrise when the stomata are open, and the soap helps water droplets wet the leaf surfaces more efficiently.

Ew. Soap and wee-wee are two different things entirely.

crosscountry · #65 (**permalink**) 06-May-2008, 03:48 AM

NCN, microbes can hibernate for extended periods of time in space. Things that have been sent into space with the intent of testing this were then retrieved and found them to be alive.

Noclevername · #66 (**permalink**) 06-May-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crosscountry

NCN, microbes can hibernate for extended periods of time in space. Things that have been sent into space with the intent of testing this were then retrieved and found them to be alive.

For very short periods, yes. Meteors spend millions of years in space. Have we had any tests that long? Have we had any microbes confirmed as surviving and reproducing on another planet (out on the surface, not in a jar?)

crosscountry · #67 (**permalink**) 06-May-2008, 04:28 AM

you want to say that they can hold their breath a few months but not longer?

if it's only the lack of atmosphere holding them back, then I don't see what would keep them from reviving upon contact with a new planet.

Noclevername · #68 (**permalink**) 08-May-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crosscountry

you want to say that they can hold their breath a few months but not longer?

I can hold my breath for a minite, but not a month. But no, what I meant was...

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if it's only the lack of atmosphere holding them back, then I don't see what would keep them from reviving upon contact with a new planet.

No, that's not the only or even greatest factor holdeng them back (killing them) it's the lack of atmosphere, millions of years of exposure to cosmic rays, millions of years of dessication, lack of food, and potentially deadly impact and potentially unlivable environment at the other end of the trip.

crosscountry · #69 (**permalink**) 08-May-2008, 05:03 AM

that's why we send lots of them.

Ilya · #70 (**permalink**) 08-May-2008, 07:08 PM

Juxtaposition of last two posts:

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Originally Posted by Noclevername

I can hold my breath for a minite, but not a month.

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Originally Posted by crosscountry

that's why we send lots of them.

So each of "them" holds its breath for one minute, and collectively they do a month of breath-holding.

cosmocrazy · #71 (**permalink**) 09-May-2008, 09:16 PM

I reckon the most abundant life in the universe will be microbial bacteria! pesky little devils "

" are so resilient. A jaunt across the galaxy no prob!

ravens_cry · #72 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 04:07 AM

I agree with that. However, for biological organisms, 'toughness' means finding a niche and and adapting to it. For most extremophiles, I am sure us 'normies' are the exrtemophiles.

newmac · #73 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 06:34 AM

The civilization that exists 942 light years away from Earth; is not invading us today; for the same reason we are not invading them. They are 942 light years away and they breath ammonia.

crosscountry · #74 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Noclevername

I can hold my breath for a minite, but not a month. But no, what I meant was...

No, that's not the only or even greatest factor holdeng them back (killing them) it's the lack of atmosphere, millions of years of exposure to cosmic rays, millions of years of dessication, lack of food, and potentially deadly impact and potentially unlivable environment at the other end of the trip.

what do you tell people that believe the earth was "Seeded"?

cosmocrazy · #75 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crosscountry

what do you tell people that believe the earth was "Seeded"?

This could be a plausible possibility and i have seen documentaries showing theories which conclude that life probably originated on mars before the earth and that the earth was seeded from mars. But as biological life known to us is finite then one must conclude that there is an origin for all biological life even if discovered elsewhere in the galaxy or universe. Each life supporting world could either evolve its own life from some sort of primordial soup as assumed on the earth. Or be seeded from other planets/objects traveling about in the solar system/galaxy etc. Either way at some point in time there would have to be a first whether its local and contained to individual planets or universal and continually seeding other worlds.Who knows maybe the earth is the origin? and will go on to seed other worlds in eons to come!

clint · #76 (**permalink**) 12-May-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmocrazy

...and i have seen documentaries showing theories which conclude that life probably originated on mars before the earth and that the earth was seeded from mars...

I think this scenario is conceivable at most.
So far, I have heard of no evidence that makes it likely.

crosscountry · #77 (**permalink**) 12-May-2008, 04:25 PM

nor I. More likely would be that Mars and the Earth were both seeded from something outside our solar system.

We haven't even found evidence of life yet on Mars.

jokergirl · #78 (**permalink**) 13-May-2008, 02:14 PM

Edit: Going to post that in a separate thread rather than distract from the conversation here. Please respond there!
-> Why the aliens will NOT be nice

ASEI · #79 (**permalink**) 26-May-2008, 04:01 PM

Hmm: Why aliens will be nice -
- They don't need anything we need
-- either their economy is different from ours due to advancement or radically different environment or
-- a non-zero-sum situation exists where there is way more than enough universe to go around
- They might be able to gain from trade
-- This scenario is plausible even if they can't reach us at all due to interstellar distances. We could trade information far easier than matter.

Hmm - examples:
Suppose you have a sentient race of AIs who view the mind in general terms, abstracted from the particular hardware that sustains it. Their needs might be something along the lines of building and powering vast computer arrays to sustain more AI's, or more computing resources for the existing AI programs. From their perspective, earthlike planets might look as nasty as Venus looks to us - why bother building on a planet with shifting unpredictable fluid dynamic forces within a corrosive atmosphere, being constantly blasted by water? They might be looking for places with relatively static dead environments, ready access to energy and a heat sink. The terminator of mercury would be prime real-estate! Panels on one side, radiators on the other, heavy elements available.

Furthermore, they might want to enlist our aid in colonization rather than sending an invasion fleet. They could