In this ultra, ultra large universe. With as many Galaxies as the grains of sand on our earth. Is it plausible to assume that there are in fact other life forms out there? If there are, then why have we not found any so far? Is it our technology limitations? Another twist could be that maybe, just maybe we here on Earth are the only life forms. Could it also be that all the UFO's not explained away, are in fact, from our future? Field trips to the past as a teaching tool? What are your opinions on whether or not "we are or not alone"?


My Thought
(There Must Be Life out There, Considering The Magnitude of The Universe.)

There's been no contact because the values of the Drake Equation variables prohibit it.

Alternatively, there has been substantial contact, but aliens are generally so inscrutable to each other that neither we nor they have noticed it.

Well. . . only 1 out 1.5 million species known to be alive today (not counting the ones that have gone extinct), are intelligent in the advanced tool using sense. And only one of the civilizations created by said species has being advanced enough to even dream of attempting any kind of contact. And as of yet, we ourselves have only being as far as the orbiting natural satellite of our world, and only in the past 40 years. The nearest star is million of times farther then that. Though there may be alien biologies or even minds enough like ours to build a civilization enough like ours to have a space program and radio, they are likely just too far to visit, barring a major breakthrough in physics.

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To quote North: "explain".

(Please)


Edit: thanks.

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Well, the civilization that was created initially in western Europe, successfully combined a technological civilization with scientific principles of research and discovery, creating (among other things) resource surpluses that allowed us to create the technology to eventually achieve spaceflight. It may be however, that it will require another revolution in productivity to allow commonplace space flight, let alone any kind of interstellar travel. This civilization DID however create the radio, which may allow, some form of communication with other beings, but it would still require long waits between messages.

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Being 13 with an IQ of 158 is pretty alien to me.(jealousy)

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"Quaerendo inventis"

*Being 13 with an IQ of 158 is pretty alien to me.(jealousy)*

Awwww Dont Feel Sad You Will be Smart 1 Day to

Including "Western Europe" in that sentence has falsified every statement in that sentence.

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No it's "off" 158. Quite far off I would guess.

What Makes You Think That?

Anyway Arnt we Going a Bit off Topic Here?

Your sig that says your IQ is "off 158" is what makes Me Think That. Boasting about your IQ is generally considered poor form, and doing so while demonstrating an inability to spell two-letter words is likely to be thought deeply ironic.

How about Europe and its derivative cultures? Would that please you better?

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I Just Thought id Add it i did Have this on it at First
(It Dosent Reely Matter That Much About Your IQ I Just Thought I'd Add it)

But i Removed it Cos it Said You Can Only Have 500 Letter's

Anyway Back to The Topic ><

Oh, absolutely. The distances are just so vast that nobody's heard your- er, our- radio signals yet.

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Study the Drake equation more closely, which is limited to our own galaxy, by the way and you should be able to understand two important aspects. Given the immense volumetric size of our galaxy and the current estimates of less than 10 intelligent planets capable of communicating with us, the odds of them overcoming the vast distances and actually finding us is quite small. Increasing the number of intelligences to a much higher number in order to assume a more dense population, makes the probability of them finding us versus some other intelligent life-form that much smaller. Either way we lose.

My pleasure is irrelevant. I was pointing out that your statement is historically inaccurate.

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"They reasoned that an object situated at the center and related equally to the extremes in every direction can have no impulse to move in any specific direction. In fact, they compared the situation of such an object with that of a man violently but equally hungry and thirsty, standing at the same distance from food and drink and unable to decide in which direction to move." - Aristotle

While it's true that boasting of IQ's is a bit over the top and not something that's done in polite society, we can make small allowances for the exuberance of 13 years. I have a sticky keyboard too, so I wouldn't worry too much about typos, though it's wise to proof-read carefully to keep the wiseacres at bay. There's always someone who will argue spelling over content.

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"To complete the picture all the photons can be seen to be synchronising friction on and off throughout the overall cone which itself is synchronised to the equal and opposite reaction of equilateral triangulation"... by a scientificator in ATM, too priceless to be lost to posterity.

In his profile, he also gives it as 148. So my main guess is that his typing is inaccurate.

There are different scales for IQ, some of which permit some rather large numbers to be quoted.

"Mensa {the high IQ club} accepts individuals who score at or above the 98th percentile on certain standardized IQ tests, such as the Stanford-Binet. Because different tests are scaled differently, it is not meaningful to compare raw scores between tests, only percentiles. For example, the minimum accepted score {for membership of Mensa} on the Stanford-Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148." (Wikipedia).

The 98th percentile would admit 1.2 million people in Britain, or 200 people out of a small town of 10,000 people, so it is hardly such an exclusive criterion.

To answer this with a No would be foolish. We can not know what will happen tomorrow here on Earth. So to say there are no aliens and we will never meet them is akin to denial. The very fact that life as we know it has brought us to answering questions like this leads me to say that we could not possibly be alone. When will we ever know the answer to this? I have this on the very best authority I know. The answer to this question is very clear; The postings thus far have all said some very sensible things including I would hope my magnificent controbution...

Life on other planets will one day be detected. Those planets might be some considerable distance from here. Prohibiting easy contact by that very distance.
Alien life forms will find us. This could be a very unfortunate day.
The distances will prohibit us ever making contact with other beings.
There are none.

All that is in fact waffle, rubbish, and pure speculation.
We most probably will find some life elsewhere in this solar system. We might find evidence of life further away. We might do better just to stay quiet and hidden. We are not ready yet.
My answer to your question is... we just do not know yet.

Incidentally I read the following in the Belfast Telegraph yesterday.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14008194.html

Newly disclosed classified documents show Taoiseach Charles Haughey and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher were offered the chance to forge a very unusual cosmic alliance. But, instead of coming from an EU partner or an Asian power, the request came from “a secret envoy of the Cosmos Supreme Civilization Circle”.
[snip]
Betty Meyler of UFO Ireland said she is not surprised by the letter and insists that discussions have taken place between different countries and aliens in the past. “I’ve never heard of a letter being sent to governments before,” she said. “But we do know that there have been meetings with the intergalactic governments and the governments of Russia, the United States and Britain. This doesn’t surprise me at all.”

Why do you always imagine an "advanced culture" as spieces with biology and psychology similiar to ours building bulky dyson spheres and starships with antimatter exhausts that are detectable halfway accross the galaxy while extremely willing to go +10 000 light years to find a 1 planet culture of apes with a big ego ?

Fermi paradox proves nothing but human arrogance - the "aliens" we don't see are these which WE expect to see.

"After all of these millions years there is no evidence of aliens ever being here blahblahblah..."..., we don't know what we even must look for, for example, just because some elderly "visionary" states that if he would be an advanced alien civilisation he would engulf stars in metal, solar panels and enormously ineffective energy crunching particle accelerators doesn't mean real aliens would behave like that.

We know so pityfully little, yet a lot of us are all so arrogant to claim that surely they would be already here if they existed.This seems like if a colony of bacteria 1 km under the Marian trench living deep inside the rocks said that surely no other life exist, because if it existed, they SURELY would come because our colony is sooo more interesting amongst the trillions of other such colonies, and because the colony never saw any other such colony they assume they muust be aawfully rare and the work of an intelligent designer....

And the about the Drake Equation, nobody knows the parameters and your "assumptions" and "hypotheses" about it doesn't mean anything until we will really know them, I mean EVIDENCE, not "our theory is looking so probable that it must be true".In the 4000 B.C, the flatness of the Earth seemed so probable and commonsense and obvious that anyone who would claim otherwise would be dismissed as a fool.

And just because your ideas are considered "mainstream" now doesn't mean 500 years in the future they wouldn't be on the same level as "the diseases are caused by evil spirits" theory.

Wise people know that they really don't know anything and they admit it.
And I don't really know anything too...along with all of humanity.

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It Clearly in my Profile Have a IQ off 158. (It Dosent Reely Matter That Much About Your IQ I Just Thought I'd Add it)

Anyway Can we get Back to The Topic? We Are Makeing a Reely Big Argument Over Very Little.

Please don´t take me bad, Connor, but how about living up for your IQ and start writing sentences in proper grammar?

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IQ tests doesn't mean anything, don't be happy and proud just because of it, imho they are just exercise in recognising patterns that nobody would ever use in real life.

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Well, I if he really had a high IQ he wouldn't have gotten himself banned, because one (especially a young person, such as myself) can really learn a lot from a site like this. It seems highly unfortunate that he would waste this opportunity by breaking the rules. But that's not really the point - what I found appalling was how he consistently endeavored to boast about himself, while seeming to lack a basic proficiency in English. The reason I bring this up is I hope others will not (in the future) make the same mistakes.

P.S.

Another reason I posted this is that I run into these type of people all the time, and I guess it seem a good place to spell out my frustration with those type of antics.

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For a moment I wondered if I had been too hard on him, but, no, perspicacious as always, I had seen his true nature first. I sometimes think I'd be perfect but for this terrible false modesty.

The way his writing style would change abruptly between standard English and tard-kid English makes me suspect he was older than 13 and putting on an act.

I noticed that as well.
He went from spelling words correctly to misspelling obviously.
Like "really" later became "reelly".
And "whould."

No one ever types "whould." Ever. If they mess up 'would' they type it as 'wud.'

There's a specific reason for using that ploy. I asked my housemate about it.

Why is this in Q&A anyway?
This looks just like every other entry in the life in space forum.

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