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We aren't debating whether it will contain all of these. The OP begins with this as a stated assumption, then asks "what will be the impact of this discovery?". Based on Kepler's expected range of results, and the reference to Dr. Isrealian's discussion of Spectroscopy (and his prediction based on his findings so far) this assumption is at least plausible. Last edited by iquestor; 09-October-2009 at 01:39 AM.. Reason: added OP Quote for clarification. |
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That reminds me of another non-earth-shattering discovery of a few years ago, one for which there are still occasional hints of something interesting going on. Interesting to the space geeks:
BAUT Forum topics NASA briefing: possible life or geological activity on Mars (more recent) and "Methane confirmed on Mars" (way back)
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People are already getting bored with, even being derisive about, repeated water and methane discoveries on Mars. Repeated discoveries of bio-gases on planets hundreds of light years distant will soon garner the same response.
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The public will be BORED TO DEATH by the time any real proofs are agreed upon. Their attitude will probably be: 'well, we knew that a long time ago, why'd it take you so long to state the obvious.' |
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True, many feelings will change. But knowing that there is life on a planet 100 million light years away will not change my belief that the universal speed limit will prohibit active interaction. And those who believe that we are already being visited by extraterrestrials will not have their belief in the possibility of visitation changed.
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Thank you, centsworthII. No doubt there's some "wiggle" room for ETs found in these texts, although they're the same snippets that are pointed to by those who think ETs have visited Earth. They're usually dismissed then, but good!
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Into the 21st century there remain multitudes who think Earth and Mankind upon it are special, unique in some way. I think to discover otherwise will be most profound for religion, and if ETi, for science.
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Dr. Isrealian Also said (Paraphrasing): "If we see such a spectra as this, we can point to this one and say, there is life there on that one." Yes, of course it would take a lot of analysis, and most of the time the public wont know anything about it until this revelation is made and then put before peer review, and public scrutiny. " |
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To be sure there will be plenty of sensational headlines and false claims made in the press long before any reliable statements come from the scientists. The debate in the scientific community and in the general population will be long, and to most, boring. Proving the existence of extraterrestrial life via faint, noisy spectra will be nothing like having it proved by the appearance of a 'manned' extraterrestrial craft on the White House lawn. In general, people find spectra irrelevant and boring. Upon learning that the proof of extraterrestrial life is a squiggly line and not a photograph, they will quickly lose interest. |
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I think this is different than finding life in our solar system, becuase we know that this solar system already has life. FInding life in another solar system is a whole other ballgame because it means the conditions we have here have also ocurred around another star. And then, likely many stars. Quote:
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Although, for me personally, the confirmation of the existence of exoplanets already had this effect - especially as it seems now that they are so literally ubiquitous. Before that, there was always the slim chance that maybe our solar system was some freak accident of nature, and planets extremely rare in the rest of the galaxy. For me, that already did the job of relegating us from the category 'special/unique' to 'just-one-of-the-heap'. |
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The Book of Mormon, like its predecessors, is a redacted, edited version of earlier texts, primarily the KJV of things. I'd venture to say that Fontenelle's Conversations on the Plurality of Worlds, which predates The Book of Mormon some 150yrs, also "inspired" Smith Jr. ![]()
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To the average person who has little or no interest in astronomy or exobiology, I don't imagine it will mean much beyond the initial hype. To the scientific community, though, it will mean a great deal. That said, I don't see a realistic impact much greater than an invigoration for more sophisticated telescopic/spectroscopic missions to study it from near-Earth space.
Also, look for fierce controversy over whether the results are biological or not--probably unending, at that--within the scientific (as opposed to woo-woo) community. We have only one known biologically-vibrant planet in our toolkit, and applying those rules to planets we'll never have any ground truth for will be more difficult than it seems, especially if the data are near the edge of detectability. It was years after the discovery of 51 Pegasi before most astronomers were convinced that the planetary signature of it and other recent finds were unambiguous. Better yet, consider Mars: a planet for which we have decades of orbital, telescopic, and ground probe data, but for which astronomers are still divided between competing models over how habitable Mars once was, to say nothing of the possibility of past or extant life. For something as potentially momentous as an exo-Earth, it would be correspondingly greater, in my op.
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Ironically, one of the first things that would happen is that the conspiracy theorists would immediately try to explain how that particular planet couldn't possibly support life and it's all just government disinfo to distract from the real aliens living on the moon.
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