Renewable energy power plants have been built. So how will you go from land based to 'orbital' based?


Do you mean permanent? Permeate is a verb and you are using it as an adjective so I don't get it.

If you mean permanent, then you'll need to use some kind of energy like the solar wind for your project. Anything that is fuel based like cooking oil is not renewable, it's only recycled. You can cook IN it then burn it, but you can't burn it twice, at least as far as I know.

I think there is a lot of potential for using extra terrestrial resources like mining asteroids.

Renewable energy won't get you interstellar travel until you solve the distance problem. But, I think there is enough Solar System mining to keep you busy for at least 1,000 years. By then, who knows, maybe we will conquer death and enable ourselves to take a few thousand years traveling to another solar system. Better bring a few good books along.

Dream on, I say.

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Good question I shall Fill you in on my some ideas of how this is to be done

The Reserach and development of the nessary tech to make a lanch system that is effecient cheap and reuseable

Research and development of nessary tech for acctuall assembey of orbital base

A plan is premade for the assembly of the orbital base on ground and then in rapid sucession lanches of non human elements are made and the constucion begins monitored and controlled on ground

The intiall desing of the base is completed and is ready for human inhabitaion. Then useing a differnt style lanche too allow for human comfort people are sent to the base. and there theycan stay.

Then the base would be added too new pieces and new people to imporve the functionallity of it.

I will explain mor on my desing of the base l8r

the nonhuman cargo ( metal pecies contruction robots... ) we be lan

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Yes i am a terrible speller i am working on it though. I fixed that typo. I did mean permanent.
What the hell makes you think i will use cooking oil to power my orbital base you must really take me for an idot.
The posts i have made have mostally been for phase one ok and phase one is all ground based phase two is a differnt story dont you think ? Maybee I should do allitle clarifying
and Maybee i will add some more detail to the plan
i kept it simple so people could read it easy and not get bored
Of course I would have to use soloar energy to power the orbiatl base you really think this has skipped my mind

you may or may not like a good argument so i not push on getting upset about the matter, i wana keep a level temper

Yes course there is. It be well worth it to do so. and nessary so as to stop needing supplies from earth.

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Then why did you post this:
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As for the interstellar craft yet again i havent been posting much about it i have been focusing on phase 1 witch is the most important of all. Course theres enoph "solar system mining to keep a guy busy" but why stop progress hey why not continue to research an develop tech to go beyond. We will never conqer death but that dosnt mean we cant try to life longer. And by the way you really think i would wana attempt interstellar missions at less than light speed hmph dude you really give me no credit.

Alrighty then i cant wiat to see what you say next

Course I will "dream on" if not how will the ideas complete themselfs lol

I might post in my interstellar designs ideas l8r

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beskeptical pehaps i wasnt clear enoph in the earlier post

the biodeisel is only part of phase one its is meant as a means to an end

clear you mind a bit its not that hard

and if you are refering to my misunderstanding of the metaphor that has nothing to do with it

quite being such a downer dude you need some balance

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Sorry for jumping in without reading the entire thread.
I myself, as an electrician; have considered working with windmills, but have done little research on the politics/laws etc. I have been educated in the basics although the tech advances are changing quickly.

Windmills are easy to build and finance, as long as they are not on 'the grid'. Once on the grid, the main problem is maintaining frequency (60Hz in NA).
Once your sys is on the grid, it will 'lock' to that freq. That freq is dependant on the RPM of your generator. If you are too fast, the grid will slow you down, too slow, and it will speed you up. This can turn your gen into a motor; which would cost you money. This is why 'variable pitch' vanes are used to compensate for wind speed.

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Ahh how nice I like your reply PineMartin

not a problem I love it when people come up impulse replys


me i am working on my power engineering and i have allittle education on this as well allthough like you little in the politcal/laws aspect. I disagree about the tech changing quickly part but thats my opinion anyways

ahh you come to the point i thought people would assume i guess its all in well that you metion it thanks lol.

Well of couse the windmill would have a bypass kinda switch to make it so it wouldnt turn into a motor. And then theres converters they take what ever kinda of energy that is produced and transform it into the the right amperage voltage ratio.

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Actually, voltage and amperage have little to do with power generation.
Amperage is 'taken' and not given.
Voltage is dependent on the factory construction of the gen.
The grid is locked to 60 cycles, which depends on the RPM of the gen.

If it is constructed for 13KV, then that is all it will produce. If it is 'rated' to produce 10 amps, it will produce 130KW of power. (V X A = Watts).
If more amps are 'taken' then all the smoke will leave and it won't work anymore.

All electrical machines are built with a certain amount of smoke in them. If you let it all out, they will stop. :wink:

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Me? A downer dude? Wrong on both counts.

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Sorry Beskeptical if i said somthing ofrensive when i said downer I actuallly dont mind I actually like to hera some negative stuff it helps make things fall into place

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I am sorry Pinemartin i really thought that when you generate DC power and then store it in a battery then convert it into AC power that power generation had allot ot do with voltage amd amperage.

Isnt voltage the value of a "hit" and amerage the freakuency of a "hit"

And that other thing is it not how many times the power changes or "flips" in given time.

So your saying that voltage and amperage have nothing to do with power generation ? Well if you say so I guess it be right.

Now remeber the windmill lets say it has a varible resistance as to capture the most energy out of the wind

Hmm now what was that relationship ? the one with revolutions and resistance ? somthing to the effect of amperage due to the revolutions and voltage due to resistance ? somthing like that.

Anyway the energy is stored as i said and then the energy is let out at the apropiate power level and transformed into AC.

Am i wrong ?

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Sounds good, it follows Carl Sagan's plans in The Pale Blue Dot.

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OK I did a bit or research on the power thing and about the govering. And I found that inorder for the power companys to pay you money for the power you produce ya have to be on the power pool board and other words you have to register and i think that its rather expensive ! dam.

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Not in Canada.

All you have to do is prove a certain output wattage, on a consistent basis; and you can sell it on the open market.

The minimum is not much, and then it is just a business licence for your area.

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I think I could start my plan with 30 gs

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I could earn 30gs in a single winter of pipelining (he he litle or no over head)

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I will go with the deisel engine idea it be the cheapest most productive means

lets see rent about 10 meter by 10 meter farm land for 100 $ month
pay ethier the buisness licences or the pool registration fee aprox 5000 $
buy engines, shelter, convertors, generators apox 20 000 $