AWAKE AND SHAKE


Phase 1 All ON EARTH

IT HAS BEGONE it is quickly becoming a relisation

0 develop and spread idea
1 small group invests in renewable energy
I am putting my own time into certain starter projects
I will save as much money as I can this winter to Invest
2 build power plants
The contruction of a biodesel power plant
3 fund the construction and maintenance of a research facility
4 buy land for implementing tech

Phase 2 PAST THIS ITS OUTSIDE OF EARTH

0 research and plan projects
1 construct a permeate orbital colony
2 permanent moon colony
3 permanent colonies orbiting the sun
4 permanent colony on mars
5 a huge facility for mining and processing asteroids
6 a large facility for collecting and processing comets (ice water)
7 numerous facilities for collecting energy from sun

Phase 3

0 you guessed it research and plan projects
1 build interstellar exploration ships
2 build interstellar construction ships
3 build interstellar colony ships
4 colonize other star systems
5 mine other star systems

Phase 4 beyond the milky way
0 research and and plan projects
1 build interggalatic ships
3 use oher star systems

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My questions hmm

Lets see what you think of the above plan

do you think the above plan is posible

and how long do you think the first phase will take

ohh come on this post isnt that bad is it ?

come on people i need some feed back ?

I mean is this plan offensive or somthing ?

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Wow, you put a lot of thought into this! =D> I am gonna have the think about it a bit. :-k

In theory, this is a good outline for a plan.

Now, how to implement? How long will it take depends on how it is implemented.

Specifically, in order to build power plants, you need investors. So you need to convince people with money that it is advantageous to give the money to you to make power plants using renewable energy. So you need to provide some detailed plans regarding expenses to build and run the power plant, and cost per kW-h, and show it is competitive with conventional power plants. Or convince your investors that they should invest even if it makes them less money. However, you need to come up with a plan that at least breaks even over the long run.

So what you need is renewable sources and technology to make them efficient. Now if you can get some altruistic types (or long haul investor types) who don't mind losing money on renewable energy research to develop the experience and data to make renewable competitive in the long run, perhaps even less expensive, then you can begin your research. But you gotta get money. That's the key step.

How long it takes depends upon how convincing your plan is, and how convincing a speaker you are, and marketing skills, and of course the details of the plan itself.

I know, I'm a downer.

What a reply IrishMan thansk allot i will get right on it then

I will do some reasearch on powerplants cost and such

and i will add it soon to this post

man being poor sucks big time

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K lets start with wind power being the cheapest i think to implement and the most readilly availble


Ok lets say that a 30' wind turbine with everything it needs cost 30 000 $ US
lets say It costs about 10 dollars a month to maintain ( oil, land tax...)
And We Get about 10 of these

So thats
300 000 $

Now lets say that in a wind of @1m/s the out put of each turbine is aboot umm 500-1000 watts/hour( iam not sure of the numbers) anyway it produces about say 10-20 kw a day

now lets assume that this power selss for about 10.00 $ per kilowatt ok

now thats about 100- 200 $ a day

i know thats not much but its a start

anyway

in about 2 mounths it will pay for itself
provided with good wind that is

after that is is profit

sorry if this was a dumb idea

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Ok now lets try Hydro power hmm
theres allot of ways to get power from water
the tide for example has tremendos power
and rivers have power to be had
hmm
i will disscuss this more later

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Fusion power would be more expensive to implement, but also more efficient. What with the amount of available deuterium, it would be almost inexaustible, more so if a way to use the proton-proton chain (no deuterium needed) could be discovered. (Maybe the carbon chain should also be looked at. It's another fusion process, supposedly found in hotter stars, in which carbon nuclei act sort of like catalysts.)

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bio deisel power plants

bio desile burns allot cleaner than regular deisel

co2 emmissons arnt the problem its co and sulfur that are the problem witch in the case of bio deisel are not a problem so its all good

cost around 4 deisel engines each about 5000 $ US
some generators and a shelter for the engines and such
hmm staff to refuel and maintain engines
a supplier of bio desiel posiabliy internall

anyways it cost about 200 $ a mounth to maintain

and it cost about 30000 to start

ok lets say that each engine has an out put of 50kws a day
and again that power sells for about 10 $ a killowatt
so thats about 500 $ a day - staff pay and overhead is about 250$ a day

so in about 2 months it would payt for itself

after that it is profit

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Wouldn't they pose something of a CO2 problem?

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I wonder whats a good fast way to earn money with out having to pay it back that is ?

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Here's an important initial point. Although this would seem to be a purely scientific/technological series of projects from start to finish, there is an overriding consideration, especially at the beginning, if it is to have any chance at success.

You will need a sales engineering department and/or political wing. The reason is the finite amount of resources available on the Earth, including renewable, versus the growing demand for these resources. The growing demand can be attributed to a number of factors, but the primary one is population growth.

If the demand for energy as a function of population size outstrips the energy production system's ability to supply it, then there will be major disruptions in the sociopolitical system. These disruptions will negatively affect the progress of your project and may doom it to failure. At the very least they may retard its progress by many years.

Therefore it will be necessary to do sociopolitical work in parallel with the purely technological achievements to assure a successful outcome. As a libertarian I don't like the sound of this, but it is one of the great challenges of the human race to develop workarounds such that the liberty of individuals and the future of the species are both preserved.

8)

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Thank Maksutof I was wondering when the politcal and social thing would come up i will have to adress it

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Ok about the earth having a finite amount of resrorces there an unlimited amount of energy to be had thats why i chose power plants

hmm politically speacking hmm you really think people would join such a group for only money ?

OK I belive that the demand for electricity will not go down and thats part of why this plan i think will work

So what exactally do you mean politcally ?

hmm do you mean internall organization and planning

or morals and guide lines of such a group

or what is it you mean ?

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Well, if you earn it, you don't have to pay it back. :wink:

The old formula is invent and patent something that's addictive, legal, cheap and easy to make, and can be sold for many times more than what it cost to produce it.

Sorry, cigarettes have already been done. 8)

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OK thanks again dude
I will get on it then

gotta make somthing addictive leagal and cheap to produce ..... ?

I will work on it

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So as the "new" energy supplies become available the cost of energy comes down. Thus the money avilable to produce the "new" supplies is reduced untill a balance in cost between "old" supply vs "new" supply via supply and demand is reached.

The producers of "old" energy supplies, recognising this proccess, preempt the price reduction by reducing the price of the "old" energy by subsidising its cost with their vast reserves of energy and money until the producers of the competing "new" supply run out of money and go out of business. Suppose the sellers of the "old" energy supplies then increase the price of the "old" energy supply to recoup their subsidising outlay?

Suppose this has been going on for the past 150 years?

Suppose we are all SUCKERS?

Thx SAMU thats a good point

what will the old energy producers do when a new kid comes into town and tries to take away what they had right they will push him out so this is yet another opsticle

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Could...

it...

be......

A CONSPIRACY???!!!

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conspiracy yes thats what it is grrr
grrr
#-o

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