This page is amusing:

http://www.free-energy.co.uk/html/wh...heels_work.HTM

Straight woo-woo. Given that attitude, I have to wonder how carefully he researched the story around Bessler.

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It'll be interesting to see how he replies to the email I've sent him.

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Dual post! You owe me a beer, Van Rijn!

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It appears, from a quick reading of that site you mentioned, that the internals were not available for inspection. That would make it difficult to validate the results. By the way, I can name a number of modern day examples where scientists were fooled by one trick or another.

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Fine.. I opened it for debate.. As it was a trick then good for him.. Perpetual motion is unreachable. Entropy wins the day. I bow to your superior intellect...

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Intellect isn't the issue. Rather, evidence is. We do have good reasons to think that magic energy machines won't work, but I for one am certainly willing to change my mind if good evidence is provided. Good evidence means an experiment that can be independently tested and inspected, and does actually show true energy generation that continues for some reasonable time. For something that would necessarily overturn physics if it worked, nothing less would be acceptable.

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A simple clockwork device would work for 30 days, easy to do if no one is allowed to inspect the mechanism.

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I've seen a design for a clock that was wound by changes in air pressure, which meant it would work pretty much forever. Or at least until the 3/4 tonnes of mercury it contained evaporated.

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That thread was closed, so I've moved my discussion with him to E-mail. I'm still interested in why he'd consider old personal statements as fact without supporting evidence. To get back to the subject at hand: Regardless of what Mr. Neuman has said, the machine he promotes is an over-unity machine, and it doesn't work. He's had 30 years now to refine his product, and not once has it stood up to a serious test. He claims he's had 20 scientists verify the energy machine, but doesn't give names. There can be no outside verification as he will not allow anyone to disassemble or test his machine, and must go on his say-so alone. I refuse to do so, and challenge his claims. The only evidence presented, through his own statements and actions, are grainy yahoo video clips he's disabled the comments on, and a rambling, word-salad web page.

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I find that curious too, about both Newman and about Bessler's machine, where there have been hundreds of years for someone to repeat it. If it was possible, I don't understand why it is so hard to reproduce, other than the idea that the devices don't work.

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They're actually two separate devices. The Bessler machine is a glorified "Overbalanced wheel". Neuman's machine isn't really known. Too much word salad and he doesn't allow close inspection of the machine. Could be anything.

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I understand. But my point is, just do it already and stop talking about. Otherwise, it is just day-dreaming.

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Agreed. That's what I was getting at too: Opinions about old stories don't matter, opinions about whether one or another person is a fraud or not don't matter. Nothing matters until and unless there is independent expermental confirmation one of these gravity or magnet based machines actually works "over unity."

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I see the same attitude with UFO, psychic and other "paranormal" stories. Even without any physical evidence many people will believe the story they hear from someone they want to trust. And the person giving the story may well believe it as much as anyone - but it just doesn't matter without physical evidence.

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"Pay no attention to that machine behind the curtain..."

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From Neumann's own site...

It's Done!
A life's work.
The 7500-lb energy machine will now try
to reach the SPEED OF LIGHT!
Not by batteries or solar panels.
But by GENERATOR ONLY!
THIS IS A CLOSED SYSTEM.
Any size can now be built!

Such claims, and we're expected to take it all on faith

#EDIT: I hereby make my own prediction: This "energy machine" will not reach the "Speed of light". It'll attain only the slightly slower and more entertaining speed of Woo.

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His statement can easily be 100% correct, note the highlighted word.

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