Russ,

You hit the nail right on the head! No Doubt!


Patrick M.

I saw the Discovery ( or whatever channel ) show on this invention as well and I was somewhat impressed although still very skeptical. After wards I googled Newmans Energy Machine and found lots of stuff along with his very poor website.
One site though was from a reporter that debunks these things that visited his place. One thing that Newman would not do is take the output and run it back to the input, thus making it a perpetual energy making machine. He did say that he believes Newman does honestly believe in his machine and believes it works but just doesn't have the proper education to understand the principles of why it doesn't work the way he think it does.
I originally thought that was most likely several generators inside and coils to leach off the EMF and somehow combine it back into the output. I have heard of an Electrical Engineer using a large coil and placing it under power lines running over part of his property and getting electricity from that. He got sued for stealing power , although I don't agree with that finding considering its just leached out energy not being used.

Unfortunately I have to say that this machine does not do what it says it does. Here are my issues.

1) He never uses the machines output to power the machine.
2) As a previous poster said: Why is he still on the Grid if he has several of these machines.
3)God told him to build it. ( I have many issues with this one )
4) Regardless of a US patent , Why doesn't he have any real investors. If it worked he would have billions of dollars from major companies as investment.

If Mr. Newman is reading this ( although judging by his website I doubt he uses the internet much ). If your Machine truly works contact the GATES FOUNDATION. Malaria is one thing but if you could power a whole tribes huts in Africa with a 9 volt battery than I am sure you would have an investment and it would be doing what you say is your goal of giving the poor free power. You make that happen and I will get a case of 9 volts drop shipped from HK to a location of your choosing,just to do my part for the world.

Just my thought on the matter.

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Nope, they where right.
Putting the coil near the lines removed energy that wouldn't have been removed had it not been there, it wasn't just being lost before he did it.

It's a bit like putting a watermill in a river, without the mill the river flows easier, without his coil the electricity flowed easier.

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That is totally ridiculous.

The reason the people dont give the man credit is targetted and is based in his belief system.

The attitude that the man is coookie comes from his belief system.
The man asks for money
He has never gotten any


Soft delete...

I followed the youtube videos that show how to make a newman moter from a flowerpot

and it works

and if you cant accept it....

its because of his "belief" system.

JESUS Christ is why you wouldn't post them....

but if I had said praise allah...

my post would be up there

LOOK the reason NEWMAN hasn't found TRUE overunity is because he is converting
the MASS OF THE COPPER into ENERGY

This means that having the EXCESS power from the machine DO something gets RETARDED awsome gains

it isn't actually OVER unity but who cares

using the BACKEMF to run itself would keep the conversion from mass to energy from happening so you cannot simply ground out the machine as the TESTERS have done.

You have to extract energy in the form of mechanical power and then you could use that mechanical power to run the machine.

Newman has failed at being able to use the backemf to power the machine because that is actually what causes the MASS to ENERGY conversion

However

If he were to connect a shaft (non - conductive) and run it far enough away and hook it up to a generator (so as to not create unwanted induction) AS WELL AS whatever machine (like his pump for example)

He could do this with mechanical advantages and spin his magnet once with his hand

REMOVE the mechanical LOAD (leave the generator) until the machine was up to speed.

and add load until equilibrium ... to0 much load ( then increase POWER V*A from generator to BIG EUREKA)

UNDER this PROCESS IT SEEMS like OVERUNITY when in fact the copper is losing mass at a rate of some Constant * -e

WHICH IS HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY insignificant

I believe SO insignificant that the copper in the newman machine would outlast YOUr lifetime by multiples of your lifetime if not hundreds or thousands of multiples.

IF you CANNOT understand this then you are SIMPLY persecuting the man because he believes in JESUS CHRIST.

He may need help explaining this to people, but that doesn't make him dishonest or fraudulent.

Creating MASS into ENERGY we already KNOW is possible.
This man has done it, with or without the help of his beliefs.
And you people don't want to awknowledge it.
not only do I understand it

I applaud MR. NEWMAN for having the stones to continue fighting you people dispite your
GREED
ENVY
IGNORANCE

He isnt saying he NEEDS to REACH THE SPEED OF LIGHT

HE IS SAYING that the ENERGY CREATED by converteing MASS into ENERGY is an exponential FUNCTION of the RPM or SPEED OF ROTATION.

the THERORETICAL limit that the machine COULD GO isn't even NECESSARY to get gains

THESE are GAINS like FILLING up your GAS tank.... except your TANK is made of COPPER ATOMS and you get 1000000000000000000000000 miles to an atom

I have made one of these things on a small scale and it works

THERE is also a VIDEO on YOUTUBE on how to make one out of a FLOWERPOT and copper wire

additionally there is someone in FRANCE who has replicated it as well.

strange that all these economic shenannigans happen when

MEYERS hydrogen cell
NEWMAN energy machine

Both which MAKE ENERGY out of MASS

BOTH WORK

and nobody can accept it because it means that what they have been TAUGHT or what they are TEACHING

has been convieniently HIDING something from them, if not boldface lying to them

Atm claims?

The entire newman machine claims atm

i cannot speak? Because its not mainstream science?

Do you hear yourself?

You cannot speak because the world is flat and we say so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you could tell him how to "fix" his device?

This is a Second warning.

Please, calm down.
Please stop with the religious references.
Please stop posting ATM claims outside the ATM forum.

If you wish to support this device, please start a thread about it in the ATM forum. You will then be required to back up your claims.

Further posts of this nature will result in your suspension. Sorry.

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your moderation is a joke.

you are arrogant and ignorant

and OH BOY i hope you DO remove me as a BAUT forum poster

It will only further prove my point

I didnt make any religious references in the second and third posts

i only stated that he believed them and thats the only reason some people are calling him a nut.

and I did back them up.

why dont you show them?

then we can DISCUSS whether or not they have been backed up

and NOT make it ME VS YOU

when you obviously have no knowledge of the NEWMAN machine so you stand on your "I know what PHYSICS SAYS"

I am NOT CLAIMING OVERUNITY SO IT IS MAINSTREAM you just aren't listening

which proves your incompetant

I see how using the word "please" while moderating can result in a huge rant about incompetence

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The reason people don't give him credit is because he hasn't been able to back up his magic energy machine claims.

Actually, this is the first time I've heard anyone claim he's been discounted because of his religious beliefs. I don't know, nor do I care, what he believes.

You're seriously claiming he has never gotten any money for his stuff? Never?

From what I've read, he's received quite a bit of money over the years.

Define "works."

It's because of the lack of evidence. Magic energy machine claims have been around for centuries, and there is no evidence that his claim has any basis in reality.

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If Newman's machine actually worked, Microsoft would have bought him out by now.

They have not done so.

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If it's mainstream, you should be able to explain the mainstream physics that applies in this case.

I don't usually correct spelling, but that should be "you're incompetent."

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Suppose somebody were to make a working machine that you got more energy out of than you put in. (Assume the laws of physics didn't apply.) What would be the consequences of such an incredible discovery?

- Maha Vailo

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I think you answered your own question, Maha.

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I meant, what would be the benefits and drawbacks of bending the laws of physics so that an over-energy machine is possible, and then putting such a machine to work?

- Maha Vailo

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The drawbacks would in all probability include that we stop working. "We" as in the chemical processes that make us be alive.

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There is no reasonable way to answer this question. You might as well be asking, "What if magic is possible?" If you wanted to write a story about a magic energy machine, you would need to specify the benefits and drawbacks, the capabilities and limitations. Then you would follow the implications from there.

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So why would altering the laws of physics so as to allow over-energy machines to be built result in the cessation of all life?

- Maha Vailo

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I went to Joe Newman’s place just South of Lucedale, MS, back in the late 1980s, to do a TV report on him, and he showed me one of his magic motors. The first thing he told me when I arrived was that he couldn’t run his motor that day because the batteries were all down. So his motor wouldn’t run at all. It was a battery-operated motor, his batteries were all down, and his motor wouldn’t even turn over.

I drove a couple of miles on a dirt road to get to his place. He had regular power lines going into his property, so he gets his home power from the local power company.

He explained to me that his motor was set up with permanent magnets, many coils of wire, and many brushes. The principle of that motor he said was that it ran off of batteries and it charged the batteries as it ran. Apparently his wiring was such that the motor took power from the batteries, then used inertia to keep his heavy magnets rotating, and while they rotated they alternated between taking power from the batteries and putting power back into the batteries.

But, no matter what, the batteries ALWAYS eventually ran down.

In the following video, he says he has 36 volts of batteries in a truck, and he claims he’s going to run this truck for an hour with his batteries. Well, watch the truck run, and you’ll see that it barely creeps along at a few miles an hour, and he shows it running for only 30 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg4_c...eature=related

This is typical of his demonstrations. He says he’s got something “revolutionary”, but all he’s got is a truck rigged up to 36 volts of batteries that we can see. We don’t know if he has batteries elsewhere in the truck. Yet it can’t get up to any significant speed, and he doesn’t show it running for more than 30 seconds, at a maximum speed of about 3 miles per hour.

I think this guy is a faker and a con man.

If he really had something, he’d get in the truck, take off, get it up to 60 mph, and run it forever, or at least for hours, with no recharge of the batteries.

Here’s his truck again... look at how slow it is running. How can anyone use a car or truck that can’t exceed 3 miles an hour?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN2TjUgDdJA

Back in the 1980s Joe Newman was receiving his maximum national attention. I couldn’t believe how so many reporters were reporting his “great discovery” and his “amazing motor” as if he had really discovered something important. I was the first reporter to expose this guy as a hoaxer. He got really mad at me.

Somewhere in a box I’ve got my old video report of him yelling at me on camera, calling me an idiot. He was giving a public demonstration of some small motors that were sealed in aluminum boxes. He was pretending they were self-generating motors. But I knew that the boxes contained batteries and I asked him – in front of everyone – to take the cases off and show us what’s inside the boxes. (I wanted the public to see the batteries that all the motors were running on.) That’s when he started yelling and screaming at me.

We put that tape on the air that night and showed it to our local audience. It was a hoot.

Wow, this goes back to the old BABB when I'd been posting a little over a year. Back then, in reply number 7 I ended up saying what I was about to say now.
When Newman's apolgist of the time, one garynolan attempted to belittle Park's comments I replied in post number 18. It's as true now as it was then. If Newman has any guts he'd submit his device to NIST or some other independent lab for a thorough test. No quibbles about patent rights or anything else. Put up or shut up. Oh wait, NIST did test his machine, and found that it did not do what Newman claimed. You've added nothing new Hanxxxx. Newman may once have believed his own hype, but he has to suspect, at least, that he's gone down what Park calls "The Road from Foolishness to Fraud."

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My question is, why is Neumann's house still hooked up to the local power grid?
Why does he still pay his utility bills?

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I'd still love to know how altering the laws of physics so as to allow over-unity machines would end up destroying all life. Would things just stop working, or would they burn up?

- Maha Vailo

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I would class this as an Ad Hominem as well as showing disrespect and contempt for a moderator.

As such you have two days off to aquaint yourself with the forum rules



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