Yeah and we've had some fun go arounds on here, Wolverine.

You would think posting about this in Babbling would avoid some of the angry debunkers, but apperently not. We've had some good times on here, I have learned a great deal. You've all helped me to understand the problem with debunkery. It's based on disproving, not proving. Tearing down, not building up. Confusion, not clarity.

Most of you were probably wrong when you tried to debunk: http://members.cox.net/borobbie2/VIDEO/UFO_STS_101.mpeg

Deep down we all knew that was not a piece of spinning debri. This was probably one of my biggest learning experiences from this entire site. Told me alot about the debunker/skeptics mindset. Anything but unsolved.

Then of course the infamous and frustrating...

The "object" in Magelhaens crater, that was a crater within a crater over a rise that was nothing irregular but that needed to be debunked. Lmao, one of the best. Remember the image below? Classic:


By the way.. I've still not found a closer image. hahaha..

I got banned from those two issues alone! The moderator told me that I had not presented any reasons as to why I disagreed with anyone at the same time he said I had not presented any good reasons.

That's not debunking, that's just nuts. How can you provide no reasons, and bad one's at the same time? I told him that and he got mad and banned me. LOL, so hey I'm not angry. I now know that astronomers simply don't take UFOLOGY seriously. I DO.

I know where you guy's are comming from. You don't want people to leap to crazy claims that makes a mockery of you're field of astronomy. Which is certainly understandable. I just think that often it turns into a war that discounts anything incredible the moment it comes up and getting them to argue with you and eventually getting them banned. It's why certain one's search the banned archives, and why there is even a thread dedicated to banned posters.

One day the issue of aliens will be solved. We will prove once and for all we are not alone.

And then, ALL OF THESE UFO cases that you have all "DEBUNKED" will be opened up again.

What will all of this debunking have proved? Absolutely nothing. That's the biggest lesson to be learned from ALMOST everyone on here.

-Robby (Hehe) :P

BTW, where did Archer go? He sure was nice...

Never mind. While I was responding, the above two posts were written. I see no further point. If you choose to take that as a victory, then I am happy for you.

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The multitude of issues makes it to confusing to continue. But uh.. So I take it you enjoy Unsolved Mysteries? lol

Nice investigative work, Wolverine!

Well, heck, by that time the thread will be locked.

Having an enormous risk of speaking to walls anyway, I thought I'd just post some random thoughts inhere:

How is debunking only about tearing down, not building up? Our opinion is that we actually achieved reaching the moon in one the biggest technological achievements of modern history, while others claim we never did it and just made it up. Debunkers aim for the truth, not for "the ordinary". In most cases, the truth is less spectacular than some claims. In some cases it isn't.

At the BABB lots and lots of posters believe that there is a good chance for extraterrestial life. This is a separate thing than believing alien UFO sightings. There are lots of detailed threads on this subject, about the difference of seeing something and there being something, kinds of UFO's (alien and not) and the like. When someone claims "this photo is faked" or "this photo is an airplane" with good reasoning behind it, he isn't saying "aliens don't exist".

Astronomers take ufology seriously. Look at the time, money and effort spend in things like SETI, and the fact that all mars missions iin a way are aimed to search for traces of extraterrestial life. Astronomers do believe in the possibility of aliens and investigate it. They just want scientific proof, and aren't satisfied with "evidence" that later is shown to be false or that can't be correctly shown to be true. Besides, of course astronomers believe in aliens, they all have Grey hair!

Everyone is free to watch the show and enjoy it, we are free to search for and provide waht we think is the best possible framework to put the events in. You are free not to believe us. You won't get banned for that fact alone.

My personal opinion is that untill now, no UFO sighting has been able to convince me of aliens visiting earth.

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Nicolas, no "UFO sighting" would convince you of that. Think about that for a second. If the sighting was too good to be true - it's fake. If the video is fuzzy - it's unclear. That wont change. If the object is a light it's reflected light of a piece of debri. If it's just a shape then debunkers will claim it's a helicopter, plane or balloon. Debunkers have set up a situation to where they can't discover anything. This in particular is the great failure of debunkery.

From what I've seen on here, you guys will only accept an explanation if "the entire" science community (or government) accepts it. If not, then you launch the debunking campaign to DISPROVE that it's not alien or ANYTHING mysterious. Worried that one might actually come to a conclusion that you and others have not. How dare they!?

The reason I still post the occaisional image, video or story on here is because I consider debunkers to be nothing but scrubers. When I posted the STS 101 Video of an object *clearly* with it's light source blinking in outerspace I got back a bunch of nonsense. The Bad astronomer guy himself claimed it was a "rotating piece of debri" and told me to either accept it or provide proof it was something else. As though ANYONE proved it was a piece of debri. That lead me to being banned as usual. But the lame debunking of that video lead me to believe it's a very important video.

Heres an example of debunking and where it leads;

Guy: I heard my wife getting ready for work this morning

Debunker: How do you know, did you see her?

Guy: Well, I heard her.

Debunker: What proof do you have?

Guy: Well I just know. Who else could it be? Do we have to go through this again?

Debunker: NO, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU to prove it was her.

Guy: What? I know it was her.

Debunker: I find it interesting that you assume she was getting ready for work, with no evidence other than "sounded like it". Thats not evidence.

Guy: Dammit, of course it was her! Who else could it be?

Debunker: From what you've said it sounds like it was just the cat or the dog making noises. That's much more likely than you're wife going to work. You assumed it was her.

Husband: Okay.. whatever babe. I give up. That was fun.. but I gotta get to work for real.

Wife: Yeah, thanks for the practice hun, have a good day at work! As she sits down to badastronomy.com

Yep, Sometimes They (Do) Come Back For More.

Yep, seems to apply here as well!

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Look dude, for one I don't know what a scruber is but it doesn't sound like a compliment. If you don't like it here, and indeed aren't even supposed to be here since you were banned, why not just go to a board where a spinning washer, reflecting light at a camera, would be hailed as an alien spaceship driving by, flashing it's lights. You seem to only come here to cause trouble and aren't looking for any answers. If you simply can't understand that a spinning object would reflect more or less light, depending on how much of it surface is facing the camera, then there is no reason for you to even ask the question.
If you want to read and laugh at how dumb you think we all are then do so but there's no reason for you to keep on posting your stuff and asking what it is when you already think you know what it is and no amount of logic is going to change your mind.

BTW I liked Unsolved Mysteries.

bolding mine and selected quotes used, go me.

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Since ComputerTech has admitted that he is a banned poster, the standard admonition of "don't feed the trolls" most certainly applies.

...I know that I have nothing more to say to him...

To clarify;

When I say a "scruber". I mean when several try to explain an anomalous image or situation, thus scrubbing it. It's a compliment.

I typically find something that's interesting and will put it up here for review. If I agree with the scrutiny (which I have before) I will write the story off. Things like the face on mars.. Chemtrails.. Under scrutiny don't add up in totality.

Here's my point. None of you actually believed that it was a piece of spinning debri. The object clearly had it's own light source. This was a big case in letting me know just how committed to debunkery some are on here.

Basically most of you will debunk EVERY ufo or alien case, UNTILL NASA OR THE GOVERNMENT agree that it's alien.

Also, the idea that because I was banned means something bad is funny. If you remember (or search) you will see I was baited with name calling by archer17. Of course he got a free pass and I got banned. That guy was 10 times more rude than I've ever been. But because debunks, and the "BA" agreed with him he got the free pass.

The best story from the unsolved series was the Belgium UFO craze. They had ground and air visual with radar confirmation. The speed of the object was recorded on radar doing manuvers and I believe at mach 10. That would KILL A HUMAN.

Then the strange mysterious BLOBS of stuff that started raining on a community for like 6 months. It made them sick and killed some animals. The goop or whatever turned out to be alive, but it's interesting because I don't know how this could have happened for 6 months without someone replenishing the clouds?? Crazy stuff!

As in, green headed alien guy in a flying saucer from another galaxy. Or did they not show any 'artists renditions' of bubble headed aliens?

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We now have an updated version of the phrases, "I know it's true, I saw it on television!" and "It's got to be good, I saw it advertised in Life!"

"I know some of it was true, I saw it on DVD!"

More accurately, that should be "They are stories made much more interesting, even to the point of sensationalism, by program writers who started with, in most cases, questionable eye-witness accounts and anecdotal evidence, and who then let their imaginations run wild."

The BA's been PMed, BTW.

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In order for anything you said to be taken seriously you would have to be talking about a specific story. You're just making generalization's based on you're own opinion. Waste of time.

Well, again it depends upon which story. If you don't specify which story you're words above mean nothing. Again, a waste of time.

1. They are questionable eye-witness accounts because you are a debunker. You would try to debunk their sensational story, if you can't then the witness is "questionable". Typical debunkery.

2. Of course you're imagination is fine, but the witnesses who support the entire story, their imagination runs wild. Why? Because to further debunk the story you have to tear the witnesses story down. My brother is a skeptic, he actually think's everyone who see's a UFO is crazy, but that it's OKAY and NORMAL to see a secret government CRAFT.

Bottom line is, you're debunking mindset would never allow you to enjoy unsolved mysteries.

HOWEVER.. I DO ENJOY IT!

I also don't care who you PM.

We can make all of this simple.

Just admit that you are a debunking skeptic, and don't like Unsolved Mysteries because it does not debunk EVERY STORY that you think deserves to be.

I can admit the opposite. I am a reasonable skeptic, but I am not a debunker so I can enjoy their stories.

There's not much to argue about other than some are trying to FORCE their opinion on me about how they feel about a program that's not even on TV anymore.