Yeah you answered, but you also kind of took a shot right at the beggining that is what is ****ing me off

What did I say so wrong?

Well?

Calm down folks, I can't think this kind of posting is allowed on the board.

As for your question about humans being Apes, of course we are. For all intents and purposes we are just big naked Chimps. Intelligence is aa accident. Evolution has no goal or direction. Any trait that offers an advantage will tend to be preserved. If it no longer offers an advantage there is no reason for it to be preserved. That isn't to say it will disappear.

As for superior snd inferior, all current lifeforms are equaly evolved. everything had the same ancestors.

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Wow, I thought I had a hot head.

Both of you have been here too long to be getting banned over this.

Please make up on here, and bring it over to FWIS if you wish to continue the bickering. I'd hate to see a couple of decent members get let go over this. :-?

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It isn't. He took me there and if you ask him, he'll say I took him there. I'm not going to give a corny speech and apologize to the board and all .. I responded to what I felt was an unjustified accusation and he'll say he responded to an unjustified "shot." The BA will be the ultimate arbitrator in this, although if I wanted to mock him and his questions and felt the need to actually do it, I would have done a better job .. trust me.

I really don't want to get banned either but to tell you the truth if I have to walk on egg shells all the time it would happen in my case anyway. I wasn't trying to tease P.R., but don't ascribe to the "turn the other cheek" philosophy either. I have a right to defend myself and if the moderator finds that attitude incompatible with his board, well . it's his board - but it's my cheek or, in P.R.'s case .. my forehead.

I understand, and I know what it can be like myself. You appear to be the nonconformist type, much like myself. So whether you'll take my advice or not, I'd recommend that you sleep on it, and PR as well. It makes a big difference in your train of thought, as I'm sure you're well aware of this. I get worked up pretty easily myself. Hopefully the BA will give you guys some leeway on this matter, and allow you both some time to work things out.

Just ask yourself one question.

Is it really worth it?

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heh .. not really. I think the sad thing is if P.R. was a Sliders fan he'd know I wasn't being coy .. one of their common bad guys was from alternate Earth where the dinos evolved into these two-legged thingamajigs (I forget their name) that hunted down humans. The thing is, I never "attacked" him nor need to tolerate the "forehead smack" comment. If I do, I can't stay here anyway. Yeah, in retrospect, I could've taken a walk before replying and all .. but I didn't. I notice retrospect never seems to happen when it should. That little philosophical gem applies to "real life" as well. I'm OK with whatever the BA does, it's his board.

Fair enough. You're correct in saying that PR started this mess, and I'm sure the BA will agree. Hopefully PR comes around tomorrow, and realizes what he has done. I'm assuming he won't be back tonight/this morning, and I believe he should be apologizing before you do. Hopefully things will be back to normal tomorrow (later on today).

I'm off to bed now. Have a good sleep.

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Since when weren't dinosaurs reptiles? Not lizards I understand, but not reptiles at all?

Reptiles are not "cold-blooded", they simply lack the ability to control their own temperature separately from their environment. In fact many reptiles routinely run higher body temperatures than we do (at least during the day :-))

This may be considered a disadvantage, especialy in a cold environment. On, the other hand, however this lowers their food requirements w.r.t. mammals & birds.

I don't see this as a problem for a brain though, if a reptile had a brain that required more energy, it would just have to eat more, surely?

Don't ask me .. I was fine with them being reptiles. Over-grown lizards as far as I'm concerned. Let's not get semantical shall we? They're cold blooded. Put one on my porch, right now. It's 29 degrees. Tell me what happens. Of course they can't control their temperature .. they're cold-blooded! I guess you stick a lizard on an Arizona sun-baked rock you can call it "hot-blooded" .. fair enough? They are considered as "cold-blooded" creatures in most parts Mr. Mitchell, it's a phrase.

There is much evidence to show that if not all them some Dinos were warm blooded. Modern birds are warm blooded, quite a few dinos had insulating feathers, to my mind this would indicate that they are warm blooded animals. Birds are modern Donos and they are warm blooded and insulated with feathers

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Back to the OT: Harry Harrison's West of Eden is based on just the premise you suggest--dinosaurs have not been wiped out by an asteroid impact (or anything else) and have evolved their own society. An interesting read.

I would say the apes would have the best shot.

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I read all three of the West of Eden books. The most fascinating part of the trilogy is that the thought processes of the intelligent dinosaurs was more alien than most of the aliens from other worlds in most science fiction. They truly had a non-human way of thinking that still made sense within their society. Looking back, the science was wrong (we are now pretty sure that dinosaurs were more closely related to birds than lizards, and that at least some species were warm-blooded), but it was still an interesting story.

Dino's also have hollow bones like birds.

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Actually, given their brain to body mass ratio, their inclinatio to learn through observation and their manipulative abilities I'd vote for octopoids... Anyone up for a little selective breeding experiments for the next few thousand years to see if we can do it?

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As far as I have been able to confirm. Most Dinosaurs were actually warm blooded animals. As for evolving into something intelligent I believe the velociraptor came the closest to showing a level of awareness equal to say a modern day dolphin or Octopus.

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