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Old 09-July-2005, 01:52 AM
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The idea I had for a new Star Trek show was a follow up to TOS missions. Kirk's five year mission is over and a new crew goes out to see how things are going. Or to see how badly Kirk screwed up the galaxy. Probably wouldn't work as a full time series but a mini-series might work. I've always wondered what happened to the Gorn, the planet with the Nazis and Gangsters. What did they learn about the planet killer? What ever became of the time machine in "City on the Edge of Foreever"? And there's a few others.
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Old 09-July-2005, 02:34 AM
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I always thought the Romulan Empire would be a good place for a show.

Since the Romulan government fell in the last movie, there is a total power vaccum there. I would like to see something along the lines of the "Empire Trilogy" by Janny Wurts and Raymond E. Feist happen on Romulous. IE The solo surviving member of a once numberous and powerful noble house is being hunted down by her enemies. She turns the tide and eventually over the course of the series beats the crud out of them, restores order to the Empire, and yadayadayada. Maybe a bit over the top, but hey, this is Star Trek after all. Over the top is what it is all about.

I picture it as being much edgier than pervious ST series. I also like the idea of using Romulans because they hate humans, and it would be interesting to see the anti-human/Federation viewpoint LOL.
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I like the idea of a series of mini-series about concepts that would quickly wear thin if it had to happen for 7 seasons. Plus, because you're only with the characters for a couple of hours you can make the events that happen to them the most important of their lives.

Have one about a medical ship. Set one on a federation-made space station. Do a Section 31 one. Have one on post-war Cardassia where all the different races covertly struggle for influence (like early West Germany). Do one with the court system (maybe an ambitious prosecutor trying to bring down the New Sydney syndicates). Use the mini-series to flesh out and explore aspects of Federation life that haven't been seen before.

Or, more likely, have Rick Berman make his pet concept Star Trek: Intergalatic Pole Dancers XXX.*

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Old 13-July-2005, 12:46 PM
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I like the idea of a series of mini-series about concepts that would quickly wear thin if it had to happen for 7 seasons. Plus, because you're only with the characters for a couple of hours you can make the events that happen to them the most important of their lives.

Have one about a medical ship. Set one on a federation-made space station. Do a Section 31 one. Have one on post-war Cardassia where all the different races covertly struggle for influence (like early West Germany). Do one with the court system (maybe an ambitious prosecutor trying to bring down the New Sydney syndicates). Use the mini-series to flesh out and explore aspects of Federation life that haven't been seen before.

Or, more likely, have Rick Berman make his pet concept Star Trek: Intergalatic Pole Dancers XXX.*

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*nodds* I thought up something similar to that as well, and I think it would be a good idea.

Along the same lines, I thought that rather than doing a 4-10 season real series, it might be better to do a single season limited series (or would that be a mini-series?). For a single season you follow around a character or group of characters in their lives (maybe while a war is going on), and you watch what happens. Because it is only one season you could kill off pretty much anyone at any time.

Also, you could do more than one such limited-series. You do 1 season with some characters, then have a different limited-series the next year with different characters. I suppose if you wanted you could have a cameo appearence or two from characters from previous seasons, but it wouldn't be necessary.
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I liked DS9 except for the Ferengi. I thought that they took a race that had some serious potential and made them into a campy ridiculous farce and a running gag. Not good.

Obviously this race developed a culture and society substantially different from that of Earth, and yet they come across as bumbling idiots, and the rules of acquisitions? Give me a break.

And I got seriously sick of the "just add a funny nose or badly done ears and you have an alien" approach (Bajorans and Odo).

Other than that the story lines and arcs were quite enjoyable.

I think a series of mini-series about people and races might be extremely interesting.

You know, someone inspired to tell stories along the lines of Vance in the Star Trek universe. We could do a heck of a lot of exploring of new life and new civilizations. Vance did that with one character - in his case a ruler of a section of the galaxy - who kept turning up in unrelated stories as an anonymous observer and benefactor.
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Rich ...

Sounds like Trek Wars ...

Hmmm, It's a Thought ...

At least they left Room in the Continuity, for More Episodes of Enterprise ...
Well sort of. Some of the most interesting Trek episodes were the ones with a great deal of conflict and where the threat of violence between armed parties was present. Some folks want to see the Romulan War os something similar. And we've got the problem of not disturbing continuity.

So, put a new Trek in a period of serious conflict. Make it far enough into the future that continuity shouldn't be a problem. And spice it up by calling into question the very principles the original shows stood for. What if those principles were warped (no pun intended) into something that they originally were not? What if those principles were used for the empowerment of certain individuals or groups over others (which we know to be at odds with the original intent, but the contemporary characters may not be aware of the original intent of the Federations principles)? What if the guys we start off thinking are disruptive badguys are actually in the right? What if the people we first see as heroes/protagonists are actually bad?

I would only make it a galactic struggle because I don't see how you can get far enough into the future to make continuity not be a problem without having some serious advancement in travel technology. Surely, they will be progressing quickly enough to make a galaxy-wide civilization, or at the very least, interaction possible/probable.
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What if the guys we start off thinking are disruptive badguys are actually in the right? What if the people we first see as heroes/protagonists are actually bad?
That's why I want a series based on the Romulans. They would view themselves as the good guys and the Federation as the bad guys. It would be great to see humans on ST as a bunch of arrogant [badwordpredeleted] instead of benevolant benifactors who are always noble and kind:P. Give me a break.

It would also be fun to see the anti-human propoganda. ooooo in the 10th movie (ST:N) the entire Romulan central government is destroyed! So 'Romulas' could take place maybe 5 years after that, as a bunch of power hungry generals, politions, special interest groups, political parties, and maybe even religious figures attempt to reform the government to suit their purposes and goals .
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What if the guys we start off thinking are disruptive badguys are actually in the right? What if the people we first see as heroes/protagonists are actually bad?
That's why I want a series based on the Romulans. They would view themselves as the good guys and the Federation as the bad guys. It would be great to see humans on ST as a bunch of arrogant [badwordpredeleted] instead of benevolant benifactors who are always noble and kind:P. Give me a break.
Agreed. That's why I sort of liked my future Trek scenario. Of course we are tempered to already see the humans and vulcans and their partners as the good guys. Wouldn't it be great to see a Federation beauracracy run-amok? Federalism turned into a pseudo-imperialism, with "peace" and "cooperation" enforced by the glowy end of quantum weaponry? And seemingly terrorist rebels striking back through futuristic guerilla warfare.


As a side note, maybe at this time in the future there is some sort of time-travel truce or anti-time travel convention. This might be the one thing all parties agree on, going so far as to install some kind of temporal depressors or dampeners throughout the galaxy. Devices which would prevent any kind of temporal travel into or out of any region of spacetime in which they exist. Stop those pesky time-travel episodes from cropping up, unless the characters could find a really, really compelling and interesting reason to destroy a temporal dampener and time travel (so the writers better have a darn good reason for it). Even then, they would be very limited in their options... as they couldn't travel to anytime/place in which the dampeners existed. These devices would have to be backed by laws strictly punishing any time travellers.

Now that might be interesting... seeing those attempting to influence the past or who arrive from the past/future visciously hunted by multiple parties trying to maintain "temporal integrity"... Jean Claude Van Damme could play one of the "Time Cops".... errrr..... oh..... wait..... #-o
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Old 13-July-2005, 07:16 PM
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second good idea:

Mirror Mirror Trek

A lot of my firends, after watching "In a mirror, darkly" said that THIS is what Enterprise should have been from the beginning.

Of course it would go straight to cable (HBO,maybe). Network TV would never play it (not even FOX).

The best thing about it is that, if you don't like a character, wait around a few episodes. He'll be dead soon.

As an aside, we tried to think of a sci-fi novel where the sadistic society flourishes as the prinicipal vehicle for the story. Not many out there.

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