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Old 26-June-2004, 02:55 AM
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This is important.

AAAS News Release: Climate Experts Urge Immediate Action...
Presentations by scientists are available in pdf (AAAS website).
http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2004/061...16climate.shtml
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AAAS News Release: June, 2004
American Association for the Advancement of Science [AAAS]

Climate Experts Urge Immediate Action to Offset Impact of Global
Warming

"Governments and consumers in the United States and worldwide should
take immediate steps to reduce the threat of global warming and to
prepare for a future in which coastal flooding, reduced crop yields
and elevated rates of climate-related illness are all but certain,
top U.S. scientists said Tuesday."
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Old 29-June-2004, 05:44 AM
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I'm working on it Pat!

And Hey! How about all you "scientists" out there who don't think any thing major is really happening, put your reputation on the line. Make the bet official.

How about if your grand planetary experiment goes awry, and the South Polar ice sheet slips off of Antarctica and a couple of billion people drown, you graciously admit that you're sorry you were wrong, and promise not to suggest that it is "just a normal fluctuation".

C'mon, what's it going to take for some of you?
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How about making every free world candidate for political office watch the movie The Day After Tomorow, complete with remarks from Greenpeace?

That should get them thinking. :P
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Governments and consumers in the United States and worldwide should
take immediate steps to reduce the threat of global warming
Looks like it's time to prepare a table of data listing: each main catastrophe contributor, steps to be taken, what the benefit is, what the more probale unintended consequences are, and rationale for believing the action taken will result in a net benefit.

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and to prepare for a future in which coastal flooding, reduced crop yields
and elevated rates of climate-related illness are all but certain, top U.S. scientists said Tuesday."
We need a similar table here with the additional inclusion of how to establish organizations to coordinate the global level migration of people to safer environs and rationale for convincing people to creatively cooperate with the associated discomfort to those who had previously chosen (or by luck been born into) the safer locations.

The discussion should proceed as free of emotional hyperbole as it can and if no protagonists are naturally occurring, a devil's advocate group should be formed to logically counteract the various theses put forth in the table of actions. For instance, remedial actions list should include how to deal with an ice age suddenly being thrust upon us on the outside chance that mother nature is guilty of capricious and arbitrary action mindless of our exitence much less our well being.

There may be merit in an in depth secular evaluation of the behavior implied by the advice given in the Sermon on the Mount and in I Corinthians :13. This level of social intercourse and global civility will become Occam level essential.
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Quote Gourdhead:
"mother nature is guilty of capricious and arbitrary action mindless of our exitence much less our well being."

Thanks for preceding this statement with "... on the outside chance that ..." <_<

(I know - don't reply because it is bordering on "belief".)
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Old 09-July-2004, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by GOURDHEAD@Jun 30 2004, 01:03 PM
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Governments and consumers in the United States and worldwide should
take immediate steps to reduce the threat of global warming
> Looks like it's time to prepare a table of data listing:
> each main catastrophe contributor, steps to be taken,
> what the benefit is, what the more probale unintended
> consequences are, and rationale for believing the action
> taken will result in a net benefit.
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It is time to make major reductions in fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. Major cut backs in transportation would help slow greenhouse gas accumulations and global warming. Other steps must be made to conserve energy.

I am worried about the propagation of Earth's vegetation which all other life is dependent on. I think governments, business groups and individuals must begin to reduce their use of fossil fuels right now.

The accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at a rapid rate as shown by NOAA Climate Diagnostics and Monitoring Laboratory measurements taken throughout the world. The world's ice is thawing at rapid rates, the worlds oceans are warming and the world's atmosphere is warming and expanding [The height of the tropopause, that separates the stratosphere from the troposphere, has been increasing.]

Time for debate has run out. Mitigation efforts must be made now, simultaneously with the preparation of tables for steps to be taken and enforced.

This must be done, there is no alternative. We need to do everything possible to reduce our emissions, including slowing growth and reducing world population.

Many scientists have known how serious this is for years already. For example, below are written Public Comments from attorney generals of northeast states, made in January, 2003. The comment was intended to be used by the current adminstration in the U.S. Strategic Plan on Climate Change. The comments, and hundreds of other comments from scientists knowledgable on climate change / global warming, were ignored by the admistration. The administration's plan through 2008 is for more study and no action to alleviate this world crisis.

Public Comments on the U.S. Draft Strategic Plan on Climate

18 January 2003
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Comments from the Offices of the Attorney General for Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, and New York

"The Strategic Plan Emphasizes Research Efforts Geared Toward Adaptation
Policies and Fails to Address Adequately the Immediate Need for
Mitigation Policies, which Should Be Implemented Simultaneously with the
Strategic Plan."

"After decades of research and debate, there is now a clear consensus
among scientists, which has been accepted by the United States, that
climate change is occurring and that the combustion of fossil fuels by
humans is the primary contributor.
See e.g., U.S. Climate Action Report 2002, U.S. Dept. of State,
Washington, D.C., May 2002 ("Climate Action Report") at 5."

"Most scientists also agree, as discussed in detail by the United States
in the Climate Action Report, that global climate change will cause
devastating, disruptive, and wide-ranging impacts to climate, ecosystems,
and public health and welfare. Climate Action Report at 81, et seq.,
(Chapter 6). See also, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key
Questions, National Research Council ("NRC"), National Academy of
Sciences (2001) ("NRC"2001") at 18-21 (Chapter 6)."

"Regardless of what the specific, regional changes will be, and despite
some potentially beneficial localized changes, it is beyond dispute that
harmful environmental and climate changes will occur. Among the types of
likely changes that the United States has projected are the loss of
sensitive ecosystems such as barrier islands, altered agricultural
patterns, increased droughts and flooding, and increased infectious and
heat-related diseases and illnesses."
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