If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > General > Off-Topic Babbling
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 21-November-2005, 06:57 PM
SG-1 Fan SG-1 Fan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 243
Default Forward or back in time?

If you had to decide whether to go forward 1000 years or back 1000 years, which would you choose? Assuming you could retain all memories but take nothing with you, would you go back in time and advance civilization at a "blinding pace" or go forward to see what’s what?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 12:04 AM
genebujold's Avatar
genebujold genebujold is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,271
Default

We're going backwards in time. Remember, entropy tends towards maximum decay. Since we're every improving ourselves, our society, our capabilities - the entropy arrow is obviously pointed in the opposite direction.

The reason is that we're caught in a wormhole that's looped itself and is literally upchucking it's contents (our vast section of the universe warped to a small fraction of an inch) back into the cosmos (much bigger than the universe - the Russians have always been bigger).

We don't see it because of relativity. Everything is relative, including time.

***

Ok, enough of that.

I'd go back a 1,000 years, where fleas propogated plagues among humans, where peasants (most were peasants) were subject to being killed at the whim of noblemen and where the clergy engaged themselves in the same power struggles as the landholders.

On second thought...
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 12:16 AM
Big Brother Dunk's Avatar
Big Brother Dunk Big Brother Dunk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Saskatoon, SK Canada
Posts: 965
Default

hmmmm...

I think I'd go to the future. Once there, I'd check out the archives and find out who won every major sporting event in the early 21st century.

Then I'd come back to my present time, bet on the winners and live in comfort.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 12:17 AM
The Supreme Canuck's Avatar
The Supreme Canuck The Supreme Canuck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 6,790
Default

Hmm... back in time where things really weren't fun, or forward in time where you don't know if anything is left at all...
__________________
Quaeso quousque humi defixa tua mens erit? Nonne aspicis, quae in templa veneris?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 02:56 AM
SG-1 Fan SG-1 Fan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 243
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Supreme Canuck
Hmm... back in time where things really weren't fun, or forward in time where you don't know if anything is left at all...
There's the rub. Take a chance and go back where you can change things (hopefully for the better) or go forward to who know's what...
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:15 AM
LurchGS's Avatar
LurchGS LurchGS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: I can see your house from here
Posts: 3,057
Default

the first question a prospective traveler should ask is "can i return to my starting point?"

if the answer is 'no' I'd go backwards - I know I can live then, and probably make a difference

If the answer is 'yes', I'd definately go forward. I pretty much know what happend, I want to know what's GOING to happen
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:47 AM
IsaacKuo's Avatar
IsaacKuo IsaacKuo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 743
Default

No question, I'd go forward in time. How could I pass up the chance to live in a bending robot's closet?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:48 AM
Gillianren's Avatar
Gillianren Gillianren is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 12,000
Default

But--but--but I don't want to go a whole 1000 years back! Only about 450!
__________________
Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:53 AM
montebianco's Avatar
montebianco montebianco is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillianren
But--but--but I don't want to go a whole 1000 years back! Only about 450!
Just go back and live a really long time...
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 06:30 AM
Halcyon Dayz's Avatar
Halcyon Dayz Halcyon Dayz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NLD - Sol III
Posts: 1,617
Smile Time Travel

Quote:
Originally Posted by SG-1 Fan
would you go back in time and advance civilization at a "blinding pace"
You probably end being burned at the stake for being a witch.
__________________
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 07:11 AM
Van Rijn's Avatar
Van Rijn Van Rijn is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 9,718
Default

I wouldn't hesitate to go forward in time. Even if you managed to play Connecticut yankee in King Arthur's court, you would be going back without modern medicine and sanitation. You'll be taking a chance in either direction, but travel to the future could take you to the stars. Going to the past would get you an early grave.
__________________
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?

Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 10:47 AM
DukePaul's Avatar
DukePaul DukePaul is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UnderGround Atlanta
Posts: 370
Thumbs up

Your thinking is too linear. I want to go sideways in time and be the first person to see what is there. Besides I live in Georgia and a 1000 years ago I would be stuck in a pine forest and if it was a 1000 years in the future I would still be stuck in a pine forest. So that is why I must travel sideways in time just to see if I can get out of this pine forest.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 11:41 AM
Lianachan's Avatar
Lianachan Lianachan is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A' Ghàidhealtachd
Posts: 1,854
Default

I'd go back. Ideally about 2,000 years so I could see brochs in use, or about 5,000 years so I could see our stone circles being built and used.

1,000 years would stick me into the Norse era here. That'd be interesting, and there'd probably be a lot more Pictish stuff around for me to look at than there is these days. A couple of brochs may still have been in use too. They'd certainly be in better condition than these days. I'm just thinking out loud now, so I'll stop.

__________________
I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, was in no way fair comment and was motivated purely by malice. I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 12:50 PM
mahesh's Avatar
mahesh mahesh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: lat 51.50n long 0.05w
Posts: 4,336
Send a message via Yahoo to mahesh
Default

This is a whole bunch of hoohee!!!! buuut... for what it's worth....

i'd like to go back to Dealey Plaza and prevent the assassination....

R I P JFK
__________________
clear skies
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 01:59 PM
Lonewulf's Avatar
Lonewulf Lonewulf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eppelheim, Germany
Posts: 4,124
Send a message via AIM to Lonewulf
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Van Rijn
I wouldn't hesitate to go forward in time. Even if you managed to play Connecticut yankee in King Arthur's court, you would be going back without modern medicine and sanitation. You'll be taking a chance in either direction, but travel to the future could take you to the stars. Going to the past would get you an early grave.
"HELLO HUMAN. WE ARE THE ROBOTS. WE OWN THE FUTURE. YOU WILL SERVE US UNTIL YOU DIE. HAVE A NICE DAY."

__________________
"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." -- Thomas Paine

Being intelligent is not a felony. But most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanor. -- Heinlein

Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 02:20 PM
Maksutov's Avatar
Maksutov Maksutov is offline
Honored Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Fifth corner of the Earth
Posts: 16,731
Default Re: Forward or back in time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DukePaul
Your thinking is too linear. I want to go sideways in time and be the first person to see what is there. Besides I live in Georgia and a 1000 years ago I would be stuck in a pine forest and if it was a 1000 years in the future I would still be stuck in a pine forest. So that is why I must travel sideways in time just to see if I can get out of this pine forest.
That's a great idea. With such a perspective, you could trace the development of boiled peanuts!
__________________
A person's name, or a mark representing it, as signed personally or by deputy, as in subscribing a letter or other document.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 02:51 PM
Maksutov's Avatar
Maksutov Maksutov is offline
Honored Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Fifth corner of the Earth
Posts: 16,731
Default Re: Forward or back in time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SG-1 Fan
If you had to decide whether to go forward 1000 years or back 1000 years, which would you choose? Assuming you could retain all memories but take nothing with you, would you go back in time and advance civilization at a "blinding pace" or go forward to see what’s what?
As long as I could get back, and if I could move around in the past at will, I'd forgo the financial rewards of future knowledge for knowing what really happened back then.The idea of getting to know the original scientists is just too darn tempting. That combined with experiencing the real starts of the cults that later became major religions would be more satisfying than monetary rewards.

That reminds me of a passage in Slaughterhouse-Five OR THE CHILDREN'S CRUSADE by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.:

Quote:
So Billy moved a little farther back, but not as far as the part for adults only. He moved because of absentminded politeness, taking a Trout book with him -- the one about Jesus and the time machine.

The time-traveler in the book went back to Bible times to find out one thing in particular: Whether or not Jesus had really died on the cross, or whether he had been taken down while still alive. The hero had a stethoscope along.

Billy skipped to the end of the book, where the hero mingled with the people who were taking Jesus down from the cross. The time-traveler was the first one up the ladder, dressed in clothes of the period, and he leaned close to Jesus so people couldn't see him use the stethoscope, and he listened.

There wasn't a sound inside the emaciated chest cavity. The Son of God was dead as a doornail.

So it goes.

The time-traveler, whose name was Lance Corwin, also got to measure the length of Jesus, but not to weigh him. Jesus was five feet and three and a half inches long.
__________________
A person's name, or a mark representing it, as signed personally or by deputy, as in subscribing a letter or other document.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:40 PM
SG-1 Fan SG-1 Fan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Posts: 243
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LurchGS
the first question a prospective traveler should ask is "can i return to my starting point?"
Good point! Let's assume (for the sake of argument) that you could NOT return.

I think that going back would be so rewarding that it would have to be the choice I would make. Imagine the difference it could make if you taught people something as simple as washing their hands before eating. I haven't been able to teach my 13 yr. old son that lesson yet, but anyway...

I don't deny that I would love to visit other planets/colonies in the future (if we don't blow ourselves up before we get there of course) though.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 03:54 PM
Chuck Chuck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Valley of The Sun
Posts: 1,751
Send a message via AIM to Chuck
Default

I'd go forward and get some of those immortality pills and a nice space ship and have a really good look around. But I'd pack a big lunch in case there's nobody left.
__________________
Life is like a box of chocolates. All of your choices are bad for you.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 05:44 PM
Lonewulf's Avatar
Lonewulf Lonewulf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eppelheim, Germany
Posts: 4,124
Send a message via AIM to Lonewulf
Default

My wishlist:

1) Adopt a dinosaur as a pet. Possibly a raptor.

2) Shake the hand of Elvis... on stage. With my space/timeship zapping in right in the middle of his show.

3) Pull a prank on H.P. Lovecraft, by having a score of men dress up in fakey tentacle costumes. Then, in the middle of the night, in the dark, we swarm him and freak him out.

4) Make sure to "tap into" the line of Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone. I would thusforth set the record as the world's first crank call.

5) I would meet Albert Einstein, tell him I'm from the future, and then hand him a comb, before mysteriously zapping out. Then I look at future photos to see if he got the hint. (Not that I think that wild hair is bad, but I do like messing with people).

6) I would visit Medieval France, bringing a little TV. I'd make sure to get an audience with the King of France, and then show him that little part from "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail"... you know, that scene with the Frenchman. I would have a back-up plan involving running like hell, and getting to my time machine.

Phew. That's it for now!
__________________
"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." -- Thomas Paine

Being intelligent is not a felony. But most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanor. -- Heinlein

Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 22-November-2005, 06:36 PM
LurchGS's Avatar
LurchGS LurchGS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: I can see your house from here
Posts: 3,057
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonewulf
My wishlist:

1) Adopt a dinosaur as a pet. Possibly a raptor.
Depends on where you let it go..and how well you like your neighbors. If I *hate* them, then yea, a raptor would b egood. If I merely despise them, I'd get one of the big herbivores and teach it to use the neighbor's yard as a bathroom.