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Old 22-January-2006, 01:56 AM
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Is there no modern device that does not owe their rudimentry beginnings to one or more of Dr. Teslas prolific creative juices?

Spacecraft. Rockets. Lasers. Semiconductor devices of all kinds. Nuclear reactors. Pacemakers. Jet aircraft. Nanomachines. Gene sequencers. That's off the top of my head.

This man makes all other inventors look like striplings, he is the greatest mind that ever lent itself to the betterment of man.

Tesla truly was one of the great inventors of all time, a true genius. But to claim he makes Edison and da Vinci look "like striplings" indicates your enthusiasm is getting the better of you. To claim that he eclipses Newton, or Einstein, or, say, a number of great thinkers outside the realms of science and engineering, speaks to a lack of perspective. And the description of your comments to the Smithsonian indicates something else.
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Old 22-January-2006, 02:27 AM
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add in radio remote control, the AND gate, the radio receiver (courts ruled against Marconi a few years ago), turbine pump.

He also won against Edison with regard to what form of current would run through our homes - Edison was enamored of DC (amazing that lightbulbs work better with AC...)

But I agree - there were other, greater thinkers. I'm not even going to try to name them.
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Old 22-January-2006, 02:51 AM
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Well, my list was for things that did not "owe their rudimentary beginnings" to Tesla. There are many, many things like that; it doesn't take away from his reputation to say that.
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Old 22-January-2006, 02:58 AM
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I stand by what I wrote, witout Tesla there would not be an Information Age for us to disseminate the pros and cons of Dr. Tesla.

Of course he had a different perspective and way of doing things, that's part of all great thinkers throughout the ages, and probably one reason he was so creative.

It sounds like most of you don't want to reclaim Dr. Tesla, it sounds like most of you want to convince ME I am wrong to view Dr. Tesla as a major contributor to todays society.

For the record, I really don't care what or how many negative anecdotes or weird stories about Dr. Tesla anyone dredges up, he is the greatest inventor ever been and probably ever to be. Besides, I've probably already read them all once or twice anyway.

Get back to me after you've read everything written about Dr. Tesla, then I won't feel like I'm shouting at the deaf.

The key to understanding Tesla's career as the DaVinci of our era is in the savage warfare waged against his AC land line current scheme by hack inventor Thomas Edison. This disgusting bit of history gives us a clue as to how business was conducted in those days and why Tesla was unable to find funding after his Wardynclyffe tower project was sabotaged by J.P. Morgan when Morgan's workshop spies were unable to steal Tesla's blueprints cuz Tesla kept them all in his head, every thread pitch and pillow block dimension, it was that kind of head.

Claims that Tesla's later discoveries (made without benefit of a laboratory) were a bit potty, like the inventor, forget that every one of Tesla's inventions worked as advertised first time, zero prototyping. This track record should earn him and his later claims more respect. My pet conspiracy theory is that the Morgan Extended Trust Co., Cie., Ltd. dragged Einstein onto the stage to keep mainstream science from discovering that space is no vacuum (it is a stressed plenum), that EMF are compression wave phenomena, that free energy can be transduced from the Dirac Sea-Zero Point Energy Field-Scalar Potential, whatever you want to call it.

Tesla was a rare savant genius, there should be statues of him on every Main St. in the country. Instead he was written out of the history books. Mainstream physics is scared [Expletive deleted by moderator] over the implications of Tesla's work.

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Old 22-January-2006, 03:39 AM
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Old 22-January-2006, 03:44 AM
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This is a strange thread..

Regarding Tesla, I believe most here think the way I do in that Tesla was ahead of his time in many ways and contributed to our advancement despite his eccentricities. His bio speaks for itself and doesn't require soapboxes.

Aside to terri tait: if you feel the need to promote someone or something, it should never be at the expense of others - whether it's "striplings" or your fellow posters.
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..Mainstream physics is scared [snip] over the implications of Tesla's work..
Why would they be "scared?"
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Old 22-January-2006, 04:20 AM
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i have no choice but to deliberatly break your scientific rules, for the sake of nothing in particular. I think it is for me a chance to demonstrate to you the complete lack of concern i have for being 'permanently banned' from this extremely odd website. i believe in atlantis! http://ghostpopulace.atomspies.com isn't even my website. why would it have to be for me to read what's on it and recommend it? do you ban any of the people for posting links to Tesla biographys? No, but you are closed minded, so you come up with a bogus 'rule' reason to take off my link, which is: no linking your own site! make up that its mine, there you go. closed mind is an empty mind. closed soul is a vacant rush.
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Old 22-January-2006, 07:02 AM
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why do I feel like I'm out in left field, all of a sudden?
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Old 22-January-2006, 02:12 PM
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This has no bearing on Tesla's real achievements or his purported ones but I believe that hiss doctorate was an honorary one.

http://www.geocities.com/coogan23/te...slachrono.html

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i have no choice but to deliberatly break your scientific rules, for the sake of nothing in particular. I think it is for me a chance to demonstrate to you the complete lack of concern i have for being 'permanently banned' from this extremely odd website. i believe in atlantis! http://ghostpopulace.atomspies.com isn't even my website. why would it have to be for me to read what's on it and recommend it? do you ban any of the people for posting links to Tesla biographys? No, but you are closed minded, so you come up with a bogus 'rule' reason to take off my link, which is: no linking your own site! make up that its mine, there you go. closed mind is an empty mind. closed soul is a vacant rush.
If that website isn't yours, then I apologize for the hasty generalization. Regardless, there's still no need to post the same site repeatedly within the course of the same discussion. What possible relevance do ghost stories have in a discussion about Nikola Tesla?

In any case, you'll need to abide by our rules if you wish to continue posting here. The comments you've directed toward me, for example, are not within our civility & decorum guidelines.
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Old 23-January-2006, 09:33 AM
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i have no choice but to deliberatly break your scientific rules, for the sake of nothing in particular. I think it is for me a chance to demonstrate to you the complete lack of concern i have for being 'permanently banned' from this extremely odd website. i believe in atlantis! http://ghostpopulace.atomspies.com isn't even my website. why would it have to be for me to read what's on it and recommend it? do you ban any of the people for posting links to Tesla biographys? No, but you are closed minded, so you come up with a bogus 'rule' reason to take off my link, which is: no linking your own site! make up that its mine, there you go. closed mind is an empty mind. closed soul is a vacant rush.
I think I know which side of the rope you'll be pulling, in the Tesla Tug Of War.
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Old 23-January-2006, 06:00 PM
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The funny things is that everybody is kinda pulling on the same end of the rope. Everybody knows Tesla was a genius with long-lasting influence in many aspects of modern technology, most prominently the from of the electricity which powers the computer you're reading this on. But some people seem to insist, with a rather religious fervor, that you're dishonoring his memory if you don't instantly acknowledge that he could have whipped up on Newton, Einstein, and Edison together with one brain hemisphere tied behind his back, that he's responsible for every modern invention, and that a picture of Tesla on the wall in your home will give you fresher breath, whiter teeth, and good posture.
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Old 23-January-2006, 06:03 PM
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The funny things is that everybody is kinda pulling on the same end of the rope. Everybody knows Tesla was a genius with long-lasting influence in many aspects of modern technology, most prominently the from of the electricity which powers the computer you're reading this on. But some people seem to insist, with a rather religious fervor, that you're dishonoring his memory if you don't instantly acknowledge that he could have whipped up on Newton, Einstein, and Edison together with one brain hemisphere tied behind his back, that he's responsible for every modern invention, and that a picture of Tesla on the wall in your home will give you fresher breath, whiter teeth, and good posture.
Countering that mentality is precisely what I meant by reclaiming the man in the first place. You're right, his near-God to woo-woo status really muddies the water even for some otherwise un-woo people.
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Old 23-January-2006, 06:19 PM
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But some people seem to insist, with a rather religious fervor, that you're dishonoring his memory if you don't instantly acknowledge that he could have whipped up on Newton, Einstein, and Edison together with one brain hemisphere tied behind his back, that he's responsible for every modern invention, and that a picture of Tesla on the wall in your home will give you fresher breath, whiter teeth, and good posture.
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Can anyone recommend a good non-woowoo biography?
I was hoping to find a book which concentrated on the science, not on cult promotion. Sadly, it looks like the answer to my question is "No".
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Old 23-January-2006, 06:25 PM
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Countering that mentality is precisely what I meant by reclaiming the man in the first place. You're right, his near-God to woo-woo status really muddies the water even for some otherwise un-woo people.
Right on point for you and STS 60. I just can't figure out why the woo woo crowd has fixated so strongly on Tesla. On GLP, you can learn that Tesla coils can control the weather and/or cause earthquakes, and that he developed a car which could run by picking up broadcast power.

It may be a reflection of his mix of genius, what I consider to be a near-charlatan level of self promotion, and pursuit of impractical ideas (like broadcast power) which increasingly seperated him from mainstream science and business.

He was a tragic figure in life, and perhaps more so in death. I wish some good biographer, with some technical background, would research and write a good study of the man. It would make a great read and might help with the reclamation. He does deserve to be better remembered in mainstream history.
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Old 30-January-2006, 10:03 PM
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you guys have your heads way up your own backsides with this 'woo-woo' stuff. you really all think you're great, don't you? anyone who thinks they are so much better that you call people who disagree 'woo' and yourselves 'non-woo' pretty much is worth a pile of pig vomit. you can all have my 'resignation' from this board, i just got on it to pester you filth. and i don't have the patience to try any more.
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Old 30-January-2006, 10:10 PM
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you guys have your heads way up your own backsides with this 'woo-woo' stuff. you really all think you're great, don't you? anyone who thinks they are so much better that you call people who disagree 'woo' and yourselves 'non-woo' pretty much is worth a pile of pig vomit. you can all have my 'resignation' from this board, i just got on it to pester you filth. and i don't have the patience to try any more.


The concept behind the tag woo-woo is pretty well defined here, so there's no mystery behind why so much of what drags Tesla's name through the muck is almost immediately painted with the name.
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Old 30-January-2006, 10:34 PM
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you guys have your heads way up your own backsides with this 'woo-woo' stuff. you really all think you're great, don't you? anyone who thinks they are so much better that you call people who disagree 'woo' and yourselves 'non-woo' pretty much is worth a pile of pig vomit. you can all have my 'resignation' from this board, i just got on it to pester you filth. and i don't have the patience to try any more.
Needless to say (and despite the prior warning), this sort of behavior is not tolerated here. Account terminated.
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