i believe things can exist without being observed. it happens all the time. like the atom it existed far before who ever first looked at it through a lens.i dont understand the last part "and is it then known" if your talking about in its intirety.then.......we may think that we understand it completely but there maybe something more to it...but we may thing there is more to learn about it but actaully we all the knowledge of it that we could possably have....if that makes since. it makes since to me.kinda like caotic motion i was watching a special on tv and there were three pieces of wood, each of them were diff lengths and they were joined together at there ends so they could swing freely. a man picked up on the pieces of wood and droped it ( the wood was connected to a ..back board, thing) and it started swinging caotically in this "caotic motion" he said that "this is caotic motion, we can not predict the motion of the swinging wood" or something like that but! as them three pieces were swinging they(the wood) knew exactly where it was going. we did not because because we do not understand it completely so instead of finding the solution so we can intecipate the path of the swinging wood. we simply labled it as "caotic motion" oo yeah sorry about the spelling but im not even going to reads this thing over. but i hope this made since to some one...it makes since to me

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

is more to learn about it but actaully we HAVE** all the knowledge of it that we could possably have.
and i didnt mean to type because two times...i do that some times

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

knowledge isnt known until its thought.

That's kind of an obvious statement isn't it?

yes it is but have you ever heared it put like that. its just a quote i made up it has depth.and it makes you think. where do the thoughts come from.we have all this great knowledge and me obtained it but by thought in nubers. its still just a thought.but....man i dont know. but i had to comment back, this is fun. i love you guys, lol

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

It isn't stated like that because it is a tautology (circular argument). Knowledge is defined as something that is known, therefor by its very definition knowledge must be known for it to be knowledge. It is like saying something that in order for something to be blue it must be blue. Obviously, it wouldn't be blue unless it was, in fact, blue. Similarly, something is not known unless it is known, and since knowledge is that which is known then knowledge must be known before it can be knowledge.

You really need to lay of the leaf, my friend. I'll give you a suggestion. Come up with the ideas while you are stoned, and immediately write them down on a piece of paper. When the pot has worn off, look at the piece of paper again. If it is still of interest, correct the spelling and grammar then post it here. Posting stoned makes it difficult for us to understand you and thus makes it difficult for us to give you the information you seek.

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I took his statement to mean as for example "the cat is neither dead or alive(in the Schroedinger's cat experiment) until it has been seen to be alive or dead and then thought to be alive or dead and then that becomes knowledge.

what is knowledge anyway?
I posted this question on the JREF site and someone said that the forum couldn't 'support' such a difficult question.

so it must really be an important question.

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knowledge is a collection of thoughts gathered through out your every day life......maybe

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

it makes you think, what was so special about einsteins life. what did he see that we did not.

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

Lots. That's what made him so special and able to break through. He saw ways that things could be that noone else could imagine.

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Don of Borg - Cool, Calm, Collective.

"Within the next generation I believe that the world's leaders will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

St. Cyril of Alexandria I think he's Catholic (from his profile), can I keep him?

If he comes back. Like I want him to.

are you talking about me?

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

No, your brother! Yes, you.

o..lol thats funny "can i keep him" almost like a child no im not catholic i live in cyril.the names johnathan

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

Can I call you Nathan? Oh, you are here in the States.

lol,um if you want to call me that i guess its ok but i may not always answer and yes im in the states.are you in the states

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-

new to the states

I was born here. I just moved back. Well, my parents did!

Johnathan, I humbly submit to you that it is a Bad Idea (tm) to post your full legal name and place of residence on the internets.

Also, the EDIT button allows you to change your post after the fact.

But changing content might be frowned upon. Check the rules.

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my first OP ever! live it up people.

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"The purpose of life is not just to be happy; the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be compassionate. It is, above all to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all."

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein-