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Note, by primary school I mean as opposed to secondary (ie pre-high school) not just kindergarten. These sorts of misconceptions are a big pet peeve of mine, and I'd like to make a list of them, so I'm hoping you guys can help me out. I'll start us off with three of them:
Red, Yellow and Blue are the primary colours. In fact, Red, Green and Blue are the primary colours (specifically, the primary colours of light. Red Yellow and Blue aren't even the primary colours of pigment, however: Those are Cyan, Magenta and Yellow). RYB can't reproduce every colour in the visible spectrum like RGB and CMY can, and not only that, but RYB has a significant bias toward browner colours. It may have been used as the 'primary colours' of pigments more than a hundred years ago, but I would think teachers would be able to get with the times and stop teaching this fallacy. Everyone thought the world was flat until Christopher Columbus proved them wrong. I really hate this one. It has been known since the time of the ancient egyptians and greeks that the world is round, and I believe the egyptians even measured the diameter of the earth, by measuring the length of the shadows cast by two different pyramids at different latitudes during the winter solstice. This one also ties in with the idea that Columbus was the first to 'discover' America, which completely disregards the vikings that came 500 years earlier, and the native population which has been there for something like 10000 years. The earth's seasons are caused by the change in distance between the earth and the sun and the solstices/equinoxes mark the beginning of each season This one is covered quite adequately on one of the BA pages, so I won't go into detail about why these are oh so very wrong. Anyone have any more? |
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I'll follow your lead and stay away from history and politics; and just say my memory of the information portrayed was that it was innocent and ignorant revisionism at best, propoganda at worst.
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I agree to some extend with uniqueuponhim, but the example Bynaus came up with is an example of what in The Science of Discworld was called "Lies to Children", ie. a simplified explanation that may be wrong in all details but nevertheless is a helpful steppingstone towards the next level of understanding.
Without the partial understanding given by previous levels of simplified versions, there will not be enough hooks to hang the next on. Pressure/temperature phase diagrams of rocks won't help schoolchildren in grasping that the earth is very hot on the inside. If you give it a though, your explanation is a simplification just as the example you gave, just a simplification aimed at a more knowledgeable audience.
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And the "driving on the freeway on a scooter" analogy still holds true because the pilots are sitting in 7 to 30 ton aircraft o' doom and you are running around them in your very own Meatbody, Mark I. Beep, beep. Big Don Trying to make sense of computers, The Error Log.
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A slight addition to this is that the distance between Syene and Alexandria he used was approximated from the speed of a camel and the time it took to travel between the cities, and the measure he gave was in a unit noone knows for sure how long is, but the best estimate we have results in nearly the right size of the earth.
Whether that estimate was partially based on his measure of the size of the earth is anyone's guess.
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days. I was using web references to help me select and name colors for a color wheel just thirty seconds before reading the first post in this thread. I disagree that there is anything wrong with calling yellow a primary color. It is a primary color. I also disagree that there is anything wrong with calling red and blue primary colors of pigments. They are primary colors of pigments. There are basically three situations: Additive colors -- primary colors are red, green, and blue. As in TVs and computer monitors. Different colors of light in close proximity on the retina add together to make new colors. Subtractive colors -- primary colors are red, yellow, and blue. As in tempera and oil paints. Light incident on a surface is selectively reflected or absorbed by pigments. Reflected colors are able to reach the eye. Transparent colors -- primary colors are yellow, cyan, and magenta. As in printing ink and watercolor paint pigments. Light incident on a surface is selectively transmitted or absorbed by pigments. Transmitted colors are reflected by the underlying white base material and able to reach the eye. Quote:
that yellow crayon and violet crayon overlapping made brown. Naturally, when using subtractive colors, more pigments mean fewer colors of light reaching the eye. That is what happens with pigments. Naturally, combinations of pigments will tend toward brown. Combinations of light tend toward white. Yellow, red, and blue are taught as the primary colors because those are the primary colors of the media available for young children to use in schools. Most typically, tempera paint. I think of the primary colors of printing inks in the order YCM rather than CMY since that is the order in which they are laid down-- from lightest to darkest. -- Jeff, in Minneapolis
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All very reminiscent of the aliens in Cohen and Stewart's book "Evolving the Alien", where the alien teacher character has a title which translates to "Liar to Children".
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Cases in point: Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 I'm pretty sure the whole "beginning of a season" debate started when meteorological considerations were brought into the picture, i.e., how can it still be summer when the weather is so fall-like? Of course the problem with using the solstices and equinoxes as the midpoints of the seasons is that in the northern and southern temperate zones, this shift of weather conditions becomes even more extreme. For example, having spring start around February 5th in northern New England won't cause the deep snow, blizzards, and crowded ski areas to go away. ![]()
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I'm a bit rusty on this, and was not aware of the 3rd item, the Teansparent colors.
Must be having a brain fart, but I can't remember how you get yellow out of the additive method.
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so it's been awhile. I don't remember anyone ever saying that everyone thought the world was flat, except in situations where such statements were intended as humor or sarcasm. Do you know of an actual case where a teacher told students that everyone thought the world was flat at the time Columbus was proposing his trip to the west? I doubt it. -- Jeff, in Minneapolis
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Don't know quite where they got it from, but university freshmen are quite commonly of the opinion that lunar phases are caused by the Earth's shadow. I may recall an opinion column (S&T or somewhere) suggesting that this came from an inappropriate introduction of eclipses before phases. Another one - that gravity is connected to spin, maybe a result of experimenting with ropes and buckets of water. This can enter in getting the causality between mass and gravity backwards (I've had answers suggesting that Jupiter became so massive because its rapid rotation gave it powerful gravity). Come to think of it, it seems to be really easy in the abstract to confuse the workings of magnetism and gravity. I was recently on the dissertation committee for a Ph.D. in education, whose project dealt with the role of religious beliefs in elementary science instruction. She found stuff that would make most of the ACLU cringe, but what really made her have to sit on her hands during classroom observation was the generally poor level of science preparation of the teachers, despite being selected as the ones who felt introducing science was important, and the really really poor level of support from the schools and systems. Indeed, sometimes they were flying by the seat of the pants when in unfamiliar territory. In thise case, what's interesting is that the same folk answers seem to recur all over the map. |
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That is why yellow is such a bright color: It involves a lot of light-- most of the spectrum-- including green, to which the eye is most sensitive. Of course, it is also possible to have a narrow bandwidth of just yellow light, with no red or green. It would have to be fairly intense to stimulate both the red and green receptors in the eye sufficiently to appear as bright as a wider spectrum. -- Jeff, in Minneapolis
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