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Old 24-May-2006, 06:41 AM
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Default Giant letters littering my state!

While strolling around Google Earth earlier tonight, I came across this weird looking locale on the edge of the Pine Barrens. It appears someone dumped a bunch of giant V's, O's, H's, T's and a J or two all over the place.

Anyone have any idea what these could be?











here's with some road info...


and it's corresponding mysterioso blank spot on Mapquest...



If the weather is nice enough Friday, I figure on taking a ride through there just to see what it looks like from ground level. I sure hope it's not too mundane.
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Possibly it's the Warren Grove gunnery range; run by the NJ Air National Guard, but used by all services. If that's it, you won't see much from the ground but "Restricted Area, Keep Out" signs.
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I don't want to disuade you from taking a look for yourself, but
on another map, I found the label "cranberry bog" just to the
east of the road (539) and north of the small river which goes
under the road near the center of your map. My guess is that
the shapes are ponds having to do with cranberry harvesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry
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When the berries are ripe, they float, making harvesting a matter of
flooding the field, shaking the bushes a bit, and skimming off the
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Old 24-May-2006, 08:19 AM
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The map is on Microsoft Terraserver. The aerial photo of the area
is dated 4/16/1995, which I notice is 11 years, 1 month, 1 week,
and 1 day ago.

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.c...344&Y=2757&W=3

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We are some gigantic alien toddler's version of a refrigerator magnet letter game. They are angry because the refrigerator is warming, Bush will soon tap their phone lines to see what they are up to, and will find out that they stole the 26 million veteran's names and addresses, to be targeted for alien abduction. Several journalists from The National Inquirer will be arrested when it is discovered they already knew but were too busy taking pictures of potatoes shaped like Osama bin Laden to warn everybody properly.
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Actually, the aliens decided that crop circles are too cryptic and they are going to have to spell things out for us.
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Actually, the aliens decided that crop circles are too cryptic and they are going to have to spell things out for us.
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Actually, the aliens decided that crop circles are too cryptic and they are going to have to spell things out for us.
That is funny, and reminds me: I've taken up the habit of mowing my yard in alien agricultural message patterns. Simple stuff though, I ain't got all day.

The experts say mowing patterns should be changed, and I got bored with just going up and down one week and back and forth the next. So I'm doing some circles and some cool wave patterns. Looks pretty spiffy for the 1st couple days after mowing. I'll have to get on the barn roof and take some pictures of it freshly mowed one of these times.

My favorite so far is just simple circles, changing direction each time around. From above it makes the yard look like a humongous bulls-eye.
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Actually, the aliens decided that crop circles are too cryptic and they are going to have to spell things out for us.
Lol, that's I was thinking--crop letters! But it looks like a big Jumble Puzzle to me. Or there's a very big alien baby playing with letters like the magnetic letters that go on refridgerators. The possibilities are limitless.
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Lol, that's I was thinking--crop letters! But it looks like a big Jumble Puzzle to me. Or there's a very big alien baby playing with letters like the magnetic letters that go on refridgerators. The possibilities are limitless.
I can't wait for the alien refrigerator magnet poems
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I wish they made those magnet letters with stronger magnets. They barely stay on the fridge. If I had a car that I didn't worry about what the finish looked like, I'd stick a bunch of them on the sides. I't be fun to see what people did with them whenever I parked in a public place.

Might make a fun hidden camera sequence. Maybe glue them on and see people's reactions when they try to move them around.

Maybe take a bunch of them and glue them to the trunk lid. Make it say: "My other car is a refrigerator."

Or "My other refrigerator is a car."

Or "My other car is a chalkboard."

Or . . .

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I can't wait for the alien refrigerator magnet poems
Oh those would be cool..can you imagine how that would really mess up the doomsayers' heads? Perhaps we just haven't realized that the Scrabble Championships are universal. New Jersey needs some more vowels, but extra points for those Vs!

Farmer--good idea (without the glue). I love messing up people's fridges and leaving odd sentences behind. A car would work well too.
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Darn, Grovers Mill is too far to the West. I was going to work up somthing about the Martians and the leftover pods.
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One opinion in a Yahoo group for discussions of Ghost Towns of Southern New Jersey (#5601):

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Those "letters" are actually rye fields. Why some of them are shaped
like letters I don't know.
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Darn, Grovers Mill is too far to the West. I was going to work up somthing about the Martians and the leftover pods.
Nice thought.

This is Grover's Mill now!



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I don't want to disuade you from taking a look for yourself, but
on another map, I found the label "cranberry bog" just to the
east of the road (539) and north of the small river which goes
under the road near the center of your map. My guess is that
the shapes are ponds having to do with cranberry harvesting
-- Jeff, in Minneapolis
Thanks Jeff. I think the "Cranberry" hypothesis is probably right. I'm gonna talk to some Piney friends later this week. I might just head down there anyway, it's such a nice part of the state
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Excellent puzzle! I don't think they can be cranberry bogs, which look like this:
http://www.terraserver-usa.com/image...kewood%7cnj%7c

I don't think they're firebreaks either because theyre so discontinuous. I'd be surprised if they're any kind of agriculture because they're so isolated, some without even roads in to them. I'll guess, since it's a wildlife management area, that they are clearcuts for wildlife habitat. But if so they're certainly laid out with whimsy, and I wonder why they look so glossy.

I have a colleague who lives down that way, I'll drop him a line. It's worth getting to the bottom of this.
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Its where they grow the letters for alphabet soup.
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While strolling around Google Earth earlier tonight, I came across this weird looking locale on the edge of the Pine Barrens. It appears someone dumped a bunch of giant V's, O's, H's, T's and a J or two all over the place.
Have you noticed that the highways look white? Unless the roads are made of concrete, you may be looking at false-color satellite imagery. Also, each one of the "letters" and the rectangular arrays of rectangles all have "roads" attaching them to the surounding roads. Still a mystery, perhaps, but I'll bet that you can resolve it with a quick visit.
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Could they be abandoned clay mines?
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I zoomed the images. Take a look at the relationship of the roads/paths and the "letters/rectangles." In many cases, the roads go THROUGH the rectangles. This tells me that there are no structures there and that the figures are clearings and are level ground -- not structures or pits of any kind.

IMO. this militates against the figures being cranberry fiels or any sort of mining activities.
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Looking forward to ground truth on this. Aliens? Barley? Cranberries?
Oh, I guess 01101001 said rye, not barley.

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There is a town in Texas that I have flown over several times on the Nashville to Austin leg of my travels in which the name of the town is spelled out in forests, and the letters are about two miles tall. For some reason I can't recall the name of the town, and I've never seen it on the Google Satellite images. If someone can help me out on this I'de appreciate it.
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There is a town in Texas that I have flown over several times on the Nashville to Austin leg of my travels in which the name of the town is spelled out in forests, and the letters are about two miles tall. For some reason I can't recall the name of the town, and I've never seen it on the Google Satellite images. If someone can help me out on this I'de appreciate it.
Is this what you may have seen?

After a little digging, it appears this is just the name of the guy who owns the property. Who also happens to have a lot of free time.

It's a bit southeast of Austin.









As for the "letters" in my state, I've had a rash of errands suddenly appear to stall my excursion, I'm hoping to check it out by mid-week. Here's to the unknown!
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Yes, that is exactly what I've seen. Thanks!
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After spending some time looking at survey sites, geological and otherwise last weekend, I finally emailed the State of New Jersey since that's where the photos came from (you have to pay for them online).

I got my reply today, so here it is:

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After speaking with a New Jersey Fish and Game officer, we have been told these fields were used by New Jersey Fish and Game and Rutgers University as experimental quail management plots. These fields were put in sometime between 1965 and 1972 and were maintained up till a few years ago. This is part of Greenwood Forest Wildlife Management area in Ocean County.

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That wasn't close to what I had in mind during my searches--I was ready to give in to grease-pencil markings, or something more crop-related or watershed-related.

So there you go, Soylentgreen--quail plots!

(Hey, and it's nice that your state responds! )
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Well that's it, now I'm convinced they are covering something up. Quail management plots indeed!
I bet the only reason they answered was it is a chance to spread more disinformation. Nothing will disuade me from getting the truth out...in my new book for only $29.95.
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Well that's it, now I'm convinced they are covering something up. Quail management plots indeed!
I bet the only reason they answered was it is a chance to spread more disinformation. Nothing will disuade me from getting the truth out...in my new book for only $29.95.
We need to check with the quail about this. Do they even know that they are being managed? Has their union agreed?
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We need to check with the quail about this. Do they even know that they are being managed? Has their union agreed?
Given all the mistakes he made in speeches, I would guess that no one manged him.


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