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Old 25-May-2006, 03:19 PM
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It’s a Judgment Call

Most decisions we have to make are judgment calls. A judgment call is made when we must make a decision when there is no “true” or “false” answers. When we make a judgment call our decision is bad, good, or better.

Many factors are involved: there are the available facts, assumptions, skills, knowledge, and especially personal experience and attitude. I think that the two most important elements in the mix are personal experience and attitude.

When we study math we learn how to use various algorithms to facilitate our skill in dealing with quantities. If we never studied math we could deal with quantity on a primary level but our quantifying ability would be minimal. Likewise with making judgments; if we study the art and science of good judgment we can make better decisions and if we never study the art and science of judgment our decision ability will remain minimal.

I am convinced that a fundamental problem we have in this country (USA) is that our citizens have never learned the art and science of good judgment. Before the recent introduction of CT into our schools and colleges our young people have been taught primarily what to think and not how to think. All of us graduated with insufficient comprehension of the knowledge, skills, and attitude necessary for the formulation of good judgment. The result of this inability to make good judgment is evident and is dangerous.

I am primarily interested in the judgment that adults exercise in regard to public issues. Of course, any improvement in judgment generally will affect both personal and community matters.

To put the matter into a nut shell:
1. Normal men and women can significantly improve their ability to make judgments.
2. CT is the domain of knowledge that delineates the knowledge, skills, and intellectual character demanded for good judgment.
3. CT has been introduced into our schools and colleges slowly in the last two or three decades.
4. Few of today’s adults were ever taught CT.
5. I suspect that at least another two generations will pass before our society reaps significant rewards resulting from teaching CT to our children.
6. Can our democracy survive that long?
7. I think that every effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they need to study and learn CT on their own. I am not suggesting that adults find a teacher but I am suggesting that adults become self-actualizing learners.
8. I am convinced that learning the art and science of Critical Thinking is an important step toward becoming a better citizen in today’s democratic society.

Perhaps you are not familiar with CT. I first encountered the concept about five years ago. The following are a few Internet sites that will familiarize you with the matter.

http://www.freeinquiry.com/critical-notes.html

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=11

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/inquir...5/weinste.html

http://www.criticalthinking.org/reso...glossary.shtml

http://www.doit.gmu.edu/inventio/pas...g03&sID=eslava
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Old 25-May-2006, 03:24 PM
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I beg your pardon, but if the folks here are not familiar with CT who´ll be?
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Old 25-May-2006, 03:26 PM
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Hi Coberst, how are you? Haven't we discussed Critical Thinking (CT, for those who weren't sure) many times in previous threads you started?
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Old 25-May-2006, 03:29 PM
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Oh, let me include another CT site in that list:

http://www.bautforum.com.
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Which is just as well, given that Coberst didn't bother to define the acronym in his post.

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6. Can our democracy survive that long?
can anyone come up with a way of answering that bullet point (Oh, how I detest bullet points) without falling foul of the "no politics" rule?
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can anyone come up with a way of answering that bullet point (Oh, how I detest bullet points) without falling foul of the "no politics" rule?
I'll try....

Yes.
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I'll go with YES also as my incredibly insighful insightfulness says we will last at least 2 more generations. (Just an opinion of course based on my personal interpretation of the probablilities of society completely falling apart before then).

BTW, I disagree with the statement that we have ALL graduated with insufficient comprehension of knowledge, . . . blah-blah-blah. In fact, I resent it. It's so far out there and so geneeral that I can't even think of where to begin debating any particualr point.
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Wasn't that rather normal for his posts?
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Pretty much, except somehow he did without the condescending comment about all that nasty book larnin' we've enjoyed. [Edit: Oh wait. Retract that. There it is. Yup, pretty much same stuff, different day.]
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Old 25-May-2006, 06:39 PM
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Which is just as well, given that Coberst didn't bother to define the acronym in his post.

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can anyone come up with a way of answering that bullet point (Oh, how I detest bullet points) without falling foul of the "no politics" rule?
I had to go back and check--you are correct I did not state that CT is Critical Thinking. My error. I am sure all of you have been studying CT carefully since my last mention of this matter. But there have been new members added in the last few months no doubt.
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Old 25-May-2006, 06:41 PM
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I always think bullet point is rather a candid
term. Most printed info is Bull so one line of
it is a "bullet". Another rambling thought, I
have seen a leaflet advising folk to only use
the car to take stuff to the local tip when
"you are going somewhere else". If CT had been
there the additional condition "in the same
direction" would have been added. For budding
mathematicians here, look up "Kalman filter".
Part of the modern world. Should be a
nova/horizon on it one day!
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Old 25-May-2006, 06:41 PM
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Hi Coberst, how are you? Haven't we discussed Critical Thinking (CT, for those who weren't sure) many times in previous threads you started?
I am great! Thanks for asking.

I assume new members have joined in the last few months so thought I should bring them up to date.

CT is such an important and complex issue that there is always much to say about the concept.
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Old 26-May-2006, 07:51 PM
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I am sure all of you have been studying CT carefully since my last mention of this matter.
No. Why study it? Isn't it better to actually just, you know, think critically than study how to? (Dang. There's my book larnin' showing itself again!)
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I for one have learned it the hardest way. Unlike riding a bicycle, you can forget how to think critically. It´s easy to let oneself go into the slipstream of preconceptions. So, you must practice it all the time.

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No. Why study it? Isn't it better to actually just, you know, think critically than study how to? (Dang. There's my book larnin' showing itself again!)
In some respects thinking is like breathing; you do it without any conscious awareness. In other respects thinking is like chess; if you study the matter you can find all kind of useful bits of knowledge and understanding.

It might be like dealing with quantity. At birth we have some small innate ability to deal with quantity but with education one can sharpen that ability significantly.

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Old 27-May-2006, 12:51 PM
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I for one have learned it the hardest way. Unlike riding a bicycle, you can forget how to think critically. It´s easy to let oneself go into the slipstream of preconceptions. So, you must practice it all the time.

[sometimes I hear a background voice saying "The force, argos, the force..."]
Amen! Critical Thinking does not happen by some osmotic process.
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Old 27-May-2006, 06:34 PM
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If I feared books, I couldn't go into my own apartment, especially now my best friend's here. That was this thing we like to call "sarcasm."
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Coberst, have you met Brumsen? I think you two would really get along.
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Coberst, have you met Brumsen? I think you two would really get along.
No I have not encountered Brumsen.
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