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Old 18-July-2006, 03:31 PM
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I can't see my own blog... here's why...

http://www.timesnow.tv/articleshow/1772714.cms

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In an unprecedented move, the National Informatics Centre has handed MTNL a list of 20 websites that were to be banned in the country for publishing content that was 'anti-national' and 'against public interest'.
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But what has come as a rude shock to twenty five percent of India's 38 million internet users who are active bloggers – is that even their own individual websites are out of bounds for now.
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since a particular blog cannot be blocked, the entire block IP address has been blocked by the government. If this is the case, you would have a restart your blog all over again.
This is a restriction on the freedom of expression... and also, millions of individual blogs are blocked for no reason... I can't see any blogs on blogspot.
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Old 18-July-2006, 03:36 PM
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Aww heck, another massive leap backwards. They seem to be following China's model
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Old 18-July-2006, 04:32 PM
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Old 18-July-2006, 06:58 PM
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Idiotic - one small step for India's "saving face," one giant leap backward for it's entire population.

Now that they stepped in this pile of goo, how are they going to save face and extricate themselves?

Here's a thought - blame it on someone lower in the government, fire them, given them a nice thick retirement check, and undo the damage.

Just a thought...
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Old 18-July-2006, 07:07 PM
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Hum,
as in China there are loads of hacks and workarounds
For example See this or this
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Old 18-July-2006, 07:23 PM
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Blob, can't your advice get some people into serious trouble? Law inforcement folks in India aren't all nice and cuddly like ours. And considering why they freaked out so hard they are going to be hypersensitive. I'm not saying what they did was right. There is got to be a better way for them to do what they are trying to achieve. But have you ever been beaten with a nightstick? I have.
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Old 19-July-2006, 09:43 PM
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Yeah.... Might not be the best thing to advertise...
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Old 20-July-2006, 01:27 AM
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Hum,
yeah, i am aware of these things.

Sometimes the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
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Even when that "one" ends up "dieing in police custody"? That and how do you know the person you just gave that info to wasn't one of the very people that the local authorities aren't trying to curtail? Do you know him? I think your irresponsiblity in this matter is staggering!
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He's not forcing anyone to use the thing.
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Hum,
while i could mention certain countries where just reading information that the state deems unacceptable will lead to immediate internment. In this particular case, i don't think India falls into that category.
With regards to this, it could be said that the country is on par with America.
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The Times of India, the most widely read newspaper here, published how to get to blogs in roundabout ways. I don't know why they did that... but most people know how to use proxies anyway.

It's irresponsible to spread the word on proxies and all... I know.
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It's irresponsible to spread the word on proxies and all... I know.
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" - Abraham Lincoln
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Rahuldandekar - I'm sorry you lost all that work and am not trying to attack you.

I'm assuming your goverment did this in response to the bombings commited by those animals in Mumbai. What, some 200 dead and 800 wounded? That they think this is the best way to sever communications between groups of extremists until they can come up with something better. (Once again, good job on the work around Blob.)
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Old 20-July-2006, 01:33 PM
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Thanks for the concern, BigDon. I've not lost my work... I just can't view it directly. Still, I can post on my blog.

Yeah, the brute force method is the best when such things happen and immediate action is required. As I've said on my blog, I'm ready to be patient and wait. I won't spread the knowledge of the roundabout ways, and not encourage others to do so. If it's security, it's important.
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in this case, it wasn't some sort of global network of terrorists (if they exist at all) who carried out the atrocities.
As far as security goes it would be similar to banning exporting barbwire to countries that have internment camps, imho.
It could be said to have done exactly the opposite.
It is widely know that emails are monitored, especially by those who have something to hide.
And it is widely known that the US NSA has recently designed new software to analyse and monitor blogs to identify individuals who would do such things.

Freedom and the innocent are the only ones affected.
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Even when that "one" ends up "dieing in police custody"? That and how do you know the person you just gave that info to wasn't one of the very people that the local authorities aren't trying to curtail? Do you know him? I think your irresponsiblity in this matter is staggering!
Since when has history ever proven governments really know what's best for their people? The most successful countries over time have always been the ones where their members are among the most highly educated and where government exists, but works for the people, rather than trying save face.
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The issue is not whether or not the government knows better or whatever. The issue, as I see it, is that people caught using the proxies etc. can be prosecuted.

Now. If everyone uses 'em, that's good ol' nonviolent protest, a grand tradition in India, as we all ought to know. If even a vocal group does it, same thing. But for one person to quietly use them doesn't help the situation and opens them up for prosecution, and while I don't know what the penalty will be, any country that would limit its people's free access to information, proven historically to be one of the great supporters of intelligent government, will probably not be reasonable on the subject.
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Old 20-July-2006, 07:34 PM
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The Times of India, the most widely read newspaper here, published how to get to blogs in roundabout ways. I don't know why they did that... but most people know how to use proxies anyway.

It's irresponsible to spread the word on proxies and all... I know.
What???

For the last ten years, networking security specialists have preached the use of firewalls, anonymity, protecting one's self and one's computers against threats, including identity theft, which has reached epic proportions. A proxy is an integral part of any firewall solution.

Proxies aren't bad, as they protect one's identity. I don't use them while on Baut (forbidden, not sure why, as username/password/per-session cookie is more than enough to ensure you are you - that's what banks do), but they're used in most major corporations as they provide a number of services for those behind the firewall, including intrusion detection, and preventing networks outside the firewall from learning info about the network that's inside the firewall.

Used on the Internet they can protect you as well, preventing hackers from gaining access to key info such as where you live (usually they can pin you down to your zip code).

Proxies are good. Banning proxies is bad. Go ahead - spread the word! Here are a few key links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_privacy
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Old 20-July-2006, 07:51 PM
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Indian government is claiming 'technological error'.

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The official said the block was an effort to prevent outbreaks of sectarian violence over the offensive materials.

"Because of a technological error, the Internet providers went beyond what was expected of them which in turn resulted in the unfortunate blocking of all blogs," the official said.
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