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Old 29-July-2006, 06:02 PM
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What I get at that address is a blonde woman dressed like Holly Golightly. Is that what I'm supposed to be seeing?
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Old 29-July-2006, 11:58 PM
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It's Paris Hilton. The juxtaposition of images and associations was, at least for me, rather jarring.
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It's Paris Hilton. The juxtaposition of images and associations was, at least for me, rather jarring.
Why? What associations? With what? I'm completely lost.
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Why? What associations? With what?
I'm wondering that myself.
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Paris Hilton with... class?
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The Paris Hilton is a hotel, not a woman.
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but Paris Hilton is a woman, more specifically, an obscenely rich heiress.
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What exactly are we supposed to be discussing here?
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What exactly are we supposed to be discussing here?
I went to the site and looked at the picture - I could not answer the above question.

So I went to an online dictionary and looked up semiotics. I found:

The theory and study of signs and symbols, especially as elements of language or other systems of communication, and comprising semantics, syntactics, and pragmatics.

I went to the site and looked at the picture - I could not answer the above question.
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but Paris Hilton is a woman, more specifically, an obscenely rich heiress.
This would explain spam emails offering to sell me videos of Paris Hilton. I always wondered why anyone would be interested in a video of a hotel.
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Oh well, never mind.

Sorry for confusing everybody. Next time I make a joke I'll be sure to phrase it so people actually get it.
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Old 30-July-2006, 08:54 AM
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So . . . what was the joke supposed to be?
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Perhaps I can resurrect something of this by adding this quote by Hilton:

“I think every decade has an iconic blonde — like Marilyn Monroe or Princess Diana — and right now, I’m that icon.”
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Personally I think I am this decade's iconic fat guy with glasses.
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Personally I think I am this decade's iconic fat guy with glasses.
you too hu?
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Well no wonder your asteroidal moon keeps blinking. You haven't got your glasses on.
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Yes, I might add them sometime.
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You know, I'm feeling a bit smug that my identification was "some blonde woman." It means my brain retains no image under the file of "Paris Hilton." (Do you think people would care as much if she'd been named after, say, Boise?)
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If Bob Geldof kids (named Peaches Honeyblossom, Fifi Trixiebelle, Pixie Frou-Frou, and Heavenly Hiraani Tiger Lily) could become celebrities, then little Boise Hilton would have been probably more famous. I like the name Boise. I once wrote a story about a kid with a pet indtricotherium named Boise.

I think you've hit on the original idea I had when I started this thread. The idea of semiotics is that everything is in some way symbolic. Everything is a signifier, but what it signifies is different for different peoples, cultures and religions. For instance, if you showed a cross to an ancient Roman, he would probably think of execution of common criminals; if you show it to anyone today, it would have an entirely different set of connotations. But if you showed it to an alien, it would probably see two lines.

The image of Audrey Hepburn as Holly Golightly is one of the most widely recognised signifiers of modern times. The juxtaposition of that image with Paris Hilton, who currently signifies, for me at least, and I hope for a wide range of other people, the complete opposite of the original signifier, was an act of semiotic subversion that I found slightly disturbing.
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I am somewhat handicapped in my evaluation of the picture, as I dont know the one it's trying to emulate (I've never seen Breakfast at Tiffany's), but did recognise the Hilton bint and has some appreciation of the incongruity bretween the image attempted and the person doing the attempt.

Unfortunately my impression is that the decade so far has been bad enough that she could well be iconic for it.
What I'm looking forward to with glee is seeing how she ages, my guess is that it definitely won't be by getting more beautiful every year in the way of Audrey Hepburn and Merle Oberon.
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