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Heck, Shakespeare spelled his name differently in just about every extant signature we have for him, and Sir Francis Drake didn't spell his last name with an "e" at the end!
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Gillian, what are the criteria you are looking for this list: most influential (for good or bad?, to humans?, to the planet?), greatest or best? It is also implied, but not stated, that it is limited to the past 1000 years.
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At the moment, I'm just collecting ideas. I do not require that the person's influence be good, at least in part because I don't think anyone's influence entirely was. (Take the horrors following Gandhi's successful freeing of India from English rule!) Their influence can be in any field, though I suspect that the ones we rank higher will be in multiple fields. Their impact can be on humans, the planet, or the biosphere--or even space, in the case of quite a few of the 20th Century people I can think of. (Neil made the book, but I don't believe Buzz did. Also, Watson but not Crick. Odd, huh?) Greater weight will eventually be given to people with a wider sphere of influence, but again, I'm not worrying about that. I'd like to have well more than a thousand people before I start narrowing down and ranking, and though I could probably list well over that myself, I don't really understand the level of contribution of a lot of people that are outside my particular field of study.
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Ok, to get the ball rolling, here are some names, without justifications, and in no particular order:
Leonardo da Vinci Newton Einstein Galileo Darwin Shakesphere Ghandi Thomas Jefferson Gutenberg Hitler Carl Marx Napoleon edited to add Picasso
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I like lots of Swift's picks, but decided not to overlap. Again, with no justification and no order.
Maxwell Genghis Kahn Michelangelo Bach Beethoven Mozart Dickens Dirac Feynman Bohr Stalin Lenin Mandela Lincoln Joshua Chamberlain Milo Farnsworth Tesla Marconi Edison Stephen Crane Nobel Samuel Colt Oliver Winchester Henry Ford Rudolf Diesel Ben Franklin Thomas Jefferson Eli Whitney Robert Fulton Churchill Edited to add: van Gogh Monet Rembrandt Kant Chairman Mao
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Um, turbo-1, I'm going to need identification of some of those. Like Dirac. And is Joshua Chamberlain Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain of Battle of Gettysburg fame?
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Keeping with the trend of "no particular order":
Columbus Magellan Cpt. Cook Linnaeus Tolstoy Oppenheimer Gates Wright brothers Bardeen/Brattain/Shockley Gagarin Like most such lists, we'll likely end up with a preponderance of westerners/Europeans. We need someone with a knowledge of Asiatic history to contribute.
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al-Khwarizmi (even though he's before the cutoff date)
Omar Khayyam al-Haytham Fibonacci Johanus de Nemore Scipione del Ferro Gerolamo Cardano Federigo Commandino Franchesco Maurolico John Dee Robert Record Thomas Harriot René Descartes John Napier Tycho Brahe Johannes Kepler William Oughtred Sir Charles Cavendish Thomas Hobbes Marin Mersenne Pierre de Fermat Blaise Pascal Voltaire Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz Bernoulli Euler Lagrange Gauss Bessel Galois Cauchy Legendre Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky (of Tom Lehrer fame) János Bolyai Riemann Klein Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky Gabriel José García Márquez August Ferdinand Möbius Samuel Pepys
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And the "driving on the freeway on a scooter" analogy still holds true because the pilots are sitting in 7 to 30 ton aircraft o' doom and you are running around them in your very own Meatbody, Mark I. Beep, beep. Big Don Trying to make sense of computers, The Error Log.
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There was a TV show along this line shortly before the turn of the millenium. Or, depending on your point of view, a year before the turn as it was in December 1999. They did the usual sort of countdown and after number 2 (Newton, I think) they went to a commercial. I was stumped; all of my top choices had already been shown.
Number 1 was Gutenberg. I can't really argue with that.
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Yes. That was the A&E one, which, as I said, I watched again this week. (Well, today, mostly.)
Can I ask for at least a sentence about who some of these people are? I mean, Martin Luther, okay. But I think we've established that I won't know a lot of the science types--and I'm almost sure, turbo-1, that you meant Philo Farnsworth, not Milo, but since there's no identification, I can't be sure. (If you do, though, you're not alone in making that error. I guess people don't realize "Philo" is a name.)
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Most of the people I'd have come up with have already been listed, but I'll add these three.
Gottlieb Daimler - invented the motor vehicle petrol engine. Michael Faraday - Bio on this page. John Harrison - solved the problem of calculating longitude at sea by inventing a new type of clock. |
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Thank you--you're totally right about Harrison, and I would've forgotten him entirely.
I think what's going to be the hardest is deciding how much influence artists have relative to scientists and politicians and religious leaders (oh, my!). I can look at, say, Tycho Brahe or J. Robert Oppenheimer and point to very specific effects on modern life. But is it greater or lesser than that of Beethoven? (And my cowriter on this project won't go for Cook, deserving though I think he is--she grew up in Hawaii, and they're still upset about how he treated the natives there. She also tends to say of very deserving sorts, "But anyone could've done that," and then we end up talking about Wallace and Leibniz.)
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Cecil Rhodes- fundamental in the European colonization of Africa (but not a nice person)
Gunmaker Dr. Richard Gatling had an effect on the late 18th century on to the present day. Musashi Miyamoto- Japanse samurai and author of "The Book of Five Rings" which is still studied as a guide to strategy. Sun Tzu- Chinese author of the Art of War would be good, but he's about 1500 years too early ![]() Edit to add, John Browning- Designer of the first really successful semi auto pistol, as well as a number of guns used thoughout the 20th century. Igor Sikorski- Basically the father of the modern helicopter. Have you given any thought to maybe categorizing the entries to make it easier. Listing the top X# of artists without actually placing them at a specific point in top 1000? That way you could avoid having to decide whether Hemmingway was more influential than Picasso or Churchill. Just a thought. Also, I'd think Cook should be there regardless of how he behaved. If Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin can be there, Surely Cook can as well.
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