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Old 07-August-2006, 01:42 PM
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This is frequently told that chimpanzee is a great spacie of its kind, if trained to him he can follow the human commands, in which respect do you think this fellow is useful in making which assignments possible.

In my opinion chimpanzee can become a trainer to the impaired person of hearing problem, atleast chimpanzee can speak mum language or make actions to understand, only training will make possible him to speak in his own way.

In most of the films I have found chimpanzee was doing great acting with great expressions and actions, emotional and sensitive.

This is also interesting that man can teach chimpanzee as well. Then think how our man is intelligent than chimpanzee, but in the spacies of monkeys I heard that chimpanzee is really intelligent in doing work and following the commands given by us, bring the ball, seat down, bring newspaper, chimpanzee is also helpful for the elder one who are living an independent life(their childrens are somewhere or in abroad), chimpanzee can also make some house jobs too.


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Old 07-August-2006, 01:49 PM
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Although chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys, they can be quite dangerous. The performing ones you see in movies are usually female or casterated for human safety. Also there are many people in the world who are willing to work for very low wages and are capable of doing a better job than chimpanzees.
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Quite right, imagine a 3 year old with the strength of 5 men throwing a tantrum(not precise but close enough, they're a lot stonger than us, & a lot more volatile). I presume you are meaning the Common Chimpanzee Pan Troglodytes, the Bonobo Chimpanzee Pan Paniscus is less aggressive but still quite unsuitable for domestication. I think some chimps have been taught some sign language, with limited success. Also I think attempts have been made to train small monkeys to provide 'home assistance' but perhaps I'm getting confused again.
It seems to me that a vegetarian monkey could be more suitable (ethical considerations aside) but this depends where you are, certainly in the UK it's cheaper to employ someone for a few hours than meeting the many regulations required to legally keep exotic species which are endangered & regulated under CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species..) http://www.cites.org/ .
Can't but think that dogs with their many thousands of years of selective breeding to get on well with people would be better despite obvious physical limitations.
Like ourselves chimps have faces evolved to express emotions, but dogs have demonstrated good capabilities at understanding human expressions (looking for link about this but gotta go...)
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This is also interesting that man can teach chimpanzee as well. Then think how our man is intelligent than chimpanzee, but in the spacies of monkeys I heard that chimpanzee is really intelligent in doing work and following the commands given by us, bring the ball, seat down, bring newspaper, chimpanzee is also helpful for the elder one who are living an independent life(their childrens are somewhere or in abroad), chimpanzee can also make some house jobs too.
This can only end badly. There will be a plague which kills all our cats and dogs and we'll look to chimps to replace our dead pets. The smarter chimps will eventually become slaves. A really smart chimp will start a rebellion and no amount of commanding "No" or pleading "Home" will save us. Before you know it, the Statue of Liberty becomes half buried.
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This can only end badly. There will be a plague which kills all our cats and dogs and we'll look to chimps to replace our dead pets. The smarter chimps will eventually become slaves. A really smart chimp will start a rebellion and no amount of commanding "No" or pleading "Home" will save us. Before you know it, the Statue of Liberty becomes half buried.
You know, this would be a great idea for a series of movies.
I'm thinking Planet of the Chimps.
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I'm as intelligent in the monkeys as any chimpanzee.
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This is frequently told that chimpanzee is a great spacie of its kind, if trained to him he can follow the human commands, in which respect do you think this fellow is useful in making which assignments possible.

In my opinion chimpanzee can become a trainer to the impaired person of hearing problem, atleast chimpanzee can speak mum language or make actions to understand, only training will make possible him to speak in his own way.

In most of the films I have found chimpanzee was doing great acting with great expressions and actions, emotional and sensitive.

This is also interesting that man can teach chimpanzee as well. Then think how our man is intelligent than chimpanzee, but in the spacies of monkeys I heard that chimpanzee is really intelligent in doing work and following the commands given by us, bring the ball, seat down, bring newspaper, chimpanzee is also helpful for the elder one who are living an independent life(their childrens are somewhere or in abroad), chimpanzee can also make some house jobs too.


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It is true that chimpanzee are intelligent than monkeys.

It's cause is origin and evolution of life. Primitive primates (primitive monkeys) appeared 65 million years ago Eocene epoch of tertiary period of coenozoic era. Its brain was more developed than other mammals. It started to evolute after that and 34 million years ago in Oligocene epoch of tertiary period of coenozoic era apes appeared. In this long time interval brain developed significantly. Ater that 5 millon years ago in Pliocene Epoch of tertiary period of coenozoic era ape like ancestors of human appeared which had more developed brain and at last 1.8 years ago in Pleistocene Epoch of quarternary period of coenozoic era human appeared so has most developed brain and is most intelligent.

You can think about that if any chimpanzee is more intelligent than human he will post in boutforum.
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thanks sweety for the reply, infact your last line is quite awesome.
I think it will be helpful to test the chimpanzee's IQ by giving him 1. abacus
2. screensaver of a different monkey on computer, 3. magzine of only pictures, 4. a big calculator( chimpanzee don't know hot to subtract or division) but he will know that something interesting when he will play with the calculator, 5. mirror, to watch himself, I have seen in my home too that a home sparrow can well observe herself in the mirror and starts pinching with beak(correct spelling) sparrow just do on |(this line is mirror) < (< this means the beak) like |<@

when chimpanzee will starts his activities like above, the narco analysis like test if we do we will get the results, or brain mapping like test, but is it possible ??

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Chimps have exhibited many higher level thought processes, and I think its main impediment (from our perspective) is the lack of a suitable voice box.

I've heard that most of the cute chimps we see are juveniles, and that as they become sexually mature they can become aggressive and unpredictable. I'm sure many humans (especially young men in their late teens and early twenties) would exhibit similar behaviour if kept in the same conditions as these palaeo-anthropology guineapigs.
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