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Old 10-August-2006, 12:20 AM
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Default Speaking of grammar... flyer/flier?

I'm being quizzed on the correct use of describing our brochure; is it flier or flyer?

Searching isn't helping as I've got a dictionary saying "flier," a university going with "flyer," and an agriculture site quoting the AP with "flier."

(I should have stayed with "brochure.")

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1. One, such as an insect or bird, that flies with wings.
2. The pilot of an aircraft.
3. A passenger in an aircraft: special fares for business fliers.
4. A pamphlet or circular for mass distribution.
5. A step in a straight stairway.
6. Informal A daring venture.
7. often flyer Australian An exceptionally swift kangaroo.
flyer:
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Variant of flier.
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fllier/flyer
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An airplane pilot is a flier, but the usual spelling for the word meaning “brochure” is flyer.
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Grammar Trap: flier vs. flyer
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In other words, both spellings are acceptable, but as the dictionary definition indicates, “flier” is Number One and “flyer” is second banana. Some will try to tell you that one spelling is for pilots and the other is for handbills. Those people are wrong, and you shouldn’t listen to them. In fact, run from them. Fast.

Like any word that has different accepted spellings, it’s important to use one spelling to maintain consistency and avoid confusion. Most likely, these concerns are what prompted The Associated Press Stylebook to affirm that “flier” is preferred for both aviators and handbills, while “flyer” is reserved for certain proper names such as Radio Flyer.
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Old 10-August-2006, 01:23 AM
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Americans usually use flier, and flyer is more common in Britain. I think that's basically the answer. So you can use either, really.
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Old 10-August-2006, 03:11 AM
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WASU is wrong. (You'd think they'd have time for more research; Pullman is boring.) You want "flier." I, personally, have never seen "flyer" used in this context. However, going with "brochure" is a perfectly acceptable way out of the problem.
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Old 10-August-2006, 09:49 AM
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You'll see 'flyer' in Canada (at least in the East), and rarely (if ever) 'flier'. As Jens points out, it may be somewhat of a 'color' 'colour' thing.
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Old 10-August-2006, 11:04 AM
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My thoughts too.
OK, thanks all. It's what I thought it was suppose to be; I just wanted to make sure.
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Old 10-August-2006, 11:14 AM
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I checked my dictionaries,
Oxford Advanced learner has flyer=flier with no modifiers
Concise Oxford doesn't have it in the small leaflet sense, it's the oldest of my dictionaries.
Websters Unabridged had flyer as a technical term used in the textile industry and apart from that has it equivalent to flier.
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Old 10-August-2006, 01:37 PM
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I'd go with flyer, as I'm used to terms such as "in-store flyers", the Friday community paper is filled with "weekly flyers", etc. Although, "Flyer" does also have a hockey connotation
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Old 10-August-2006, 01:44 PM
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We use flyer, but find pilot and brochure acceptable.
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Old 10-August-2006, 05:48 PM
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My best friend's monster dictionary of doom says that "flyer" is preferred if you look it up under "flier," but if you look under "flyer," all it says is that it's a variant of "flier." She says that it's the only time her dictionary has failed her, and she's a little upset.
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Old 10-August-2006, 07:03 PM
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The current Oxford English Dictionary allows that "The forms flyer, flier are both in good mod[ern] use; in our recent quot[ation]s flyer is more common ..." The OED gives no spelling variation according to meaning.
The New Fowler's Modern English Usage opts for flyer, but suggests "[P]erhaps flier is the more common of the two forms in Am[erican] E[nglish]." Fowler himself, in the original MEU, liked flier for consistency, but noted that flyer was more common (in British English).

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So... flip a coin?



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So... flip a coin?
If I had to use that particular word, I'd go for flyer in the UK (and, by the look of it, Canada and Australia), and flier in the US. Seems like that way you'll hit the local majority usage, thereby minimizing the number of people who think you've spelled it wrongly.
In those sorts of situations, though, the line of least resistance is to find a less controversial synonym. Are you reluctant to use brochure because your publication is just a single sheet? If so, handbill might do the job, although it has a slightly antique flavour to it.

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Flyer / flier strikes me as irritatingly similar to tyre / tire


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Flyer / flier strikes me as irritatingly similar to tyre / tire
The distinction seems to be a bit more clear-cut there: tyre as standard in the UK, and tire in the US.

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Old 10-August-2006, 09:44 PM
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no argument - myself, eye thenk the letter 'i' could well be removed from the Englesh language
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Old 11-August-2006, 07:18 AM
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no argument - myself, eye thenk the letter 'i' could well be removed from the Englesh language
Sher. And so cood "u". Then yt wood be a lot easyer to rayt thyngs.
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Old 11-August-2006, 08:27 AM
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Sher. And so cood "u". Then yt wood be a lot easyer to rayt thyngs.
That shood be "ryte" onless yoe are pottyng them on a scale or somethyng.
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Ande yt wode be a lotte easyer to rante about thyngs as well.

Unfurtunately this looks more like a step back in spelling rathen than a step forward, so I really doubt it would happen
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Old 11-August-2006, 06:53 PM
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Most linguists (at least that I've read) consider the greatest step forward in spelling to be its standardization. Granted, it's not complete (how many non-Americans hear that word as "standarisation"?), but it's a definite improvement. If we removed letters, we'd have to restandarize. It'd be a nightmare!
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Most linguists (at least that I've read) consider the greatest step forward in spelling to be its standardization.
I guess English hit a tripwire.
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Old 11-August-2006, 07:23 PM