Hi everyone, Im new to these forums so forgive me in advance if I make any blunders. I have a theory to share with you all that I am thinking of writing into a short story, so tell me what you think, any advice / criticism is welcome. Adept710

Okay so it starts with the idea that this planet Earth is actually a prison planet for inhabitants of 7 galactic races known as Unity. When a citizen of either of these 7 races breaks the laws that are set by each race for themselves, they are taken to a facility where they are put through a machine that makes them undergo a transformation process from the being they were into one of the 7 original races of humans. The process not only transforms their body but also saves and stores a backup of thier current mind and then plants in a basic human consciousness complete with free will and special programming that ensures that they undergo continual events that offer the option to learn from the crime they committed or continue to act the same. This goes on and on until either the human dies or the human learns the lesson they have been given to learn that suits thier crime.

When the humans learns the lesson they must learn from human life, then they will continue to live out that life until the day they die. At this point the human returns to the facility that originally placed them there. But, if the human commits another offence they must learn another lesson that will be given for this new crime. In this case the human will continue to have lessons to learn.

When the human dies, they return to the facility that placed them there originally. In this facility is 3 machines. One named Transformation, another named Rebirth and a final named Reincarnation. The machine named Transformation is the machine that transforms beings from the Unity races into beings from the Human races for rehabilitation and vice versa back again after rehabilitation. The Rebirth Machine is the machine that any being going back to Earth to learn a lesson must enter into, while the other, the Reincarnation machine is for those who are returning to Earth to learn accumulated lessons from past lives but who have lived at least one whole human lifetime without committing a new crime but while still paying for old crimes (accumulated lessons). This rule is called by humans - Karma!

Aliens and UFO's that we see on a regular occurance are actually guardians or better known by humans as Prison Wardens and Guards. They are also technicians who zap around our atmosphere fixing the devestating catastrophes we cause through our planet destroying actions. This job has grown to a massive undertaking these last 100 years and as such has seen the appearance of military officials and men in black type characters that have the ability to wipe peoples memories and alter minds and perceptions. Yep they are guardians too, stopping events of impending doom on a mass scale before they occur.

Well that is basically what I have got so far but I have only just come up with it recently and have not yet found any supporting or denying evidence concerning this theory. So please, fire away, shoot holes through it or tell me of something you thought of that might support it. Even if it is only an avenue that my short story can explore, let me know what you think.

One thing that does spring to mind, off the top of my head is the ancient Indian Vedic texts, I think called 'Ramayana'. It speaks of a very ancient battle between vehicles in the sky above Earth. This is thousands of years before we even had a concept of life on other planets! Could this tale have something to do with my theory or our human origin?

Adept710

Welcome, adept710!


So, is this speculation for a story, or are you actually arguing for this position? Our comments (and where this thread belongs) depend on whether this is story speculation or not.

As a story idea, this is fine, but if you are actually arguing for it the first questions would be: What is your evidence for aliens? What is your evidence for alien spacecraft?

As science, I'd say that it is completely unsupported, but I think it could work as a story premise.

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Hi Van Rijn,
Thanx for the reply, I was writing it from the angle of myself writing the story but when I thought about it a bit more it didn't seem all that far fetched compared to some of the other theories out there, such as a creator/God. Where is the evidence for that, and also evolution that has a missing link to be true. Its all speculation to me, unless you can prove to me now what the truth is! Just a thought. But my angle was taken from a story idea, the reason that I posted here was to try to get a range of opinions as to why it might or might not be possible.

I thank you for telling me that you beleive it would be completely unsuported as a science but you failed to tell me why you think that. So I guess in reply I have to say that I think your thoughts are also completely unsuported as well. So no one wins. I get no further insight into my idea and you are telling me that my idea is unsuported while leaving your own statement unsuported in itself.

I am in no way saying that this is a definite science, just that it is a possibility that we have not yet seemed to address. I am sure if someone had have said "What about the possibilitiy of a powered car?" 1000 years ago he would not have been talking about a science either, but where is it now! I guess what I mean is 'When is a science ever a science until it is discovered?

Maybe you could give me some supporting evidence as to why my idea is not so feasible. Also I quite clearly said in the original post that I have not yet had time to gather any supporting evidence in a real life sense!

Anyway thanx for your reply Van Rijn
Adept710

Hi Adept710,
There is tons of evidence for the evolution of humans on this planet, including fossils and similarities in DNA to other species. I'm not sure what you mean by a "missing link" but the fossil record for human evolution shows the changes from the other apes over time.

Again, as Van Rijn asked, if you are floating ideas for a work of fiction, I'm sure there are a lot of people who would give you their thoughts, though this is not probably the right part of this forum. If you are floating a serious idea, then it is up to you to prove your idea, not ours to prove established theories. You need to read the FAQs and particularly the rules of the Against the Mainstream section (at the top of the thread list)

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That's not science, but an issue of religious belief. Per board rules, this is a science board.

Here is a detailed discussion of transitional fossils:

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html

Suffice it to say that many exist along with many other lines of evidence for evolution.

From your statements, my impression is that you have some major misconceptions about science. If you propose a hypothesis, as you have done, you are also expected to gather and demonstrate supporting objective evidence. The hypothesis can be tested based on logic, evidence and (usually) math. It can be compared to alternatives to see which best fit.

Talking about speculative story possibilities and debating the feasibility of a hypothesis are two different things. I'd be happy to talk about possibilities, but that isn't what ATM discussions are about.

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You are missing the point of my comment, since it seems you are saying the same thing. You aren't saying it is definite science, and you haven't gathered any supporting evidence. Therefore, as science, it is completely unsupported. I don't have a problem with it as speculation. That's why we really need to know where you are going with this - if you want to get into story discussion, or just pure speculation about aliens, you should ask for this thread to be moved.

You're welcome.

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Moved, from the ATM section ... based on your clarifying post adept710, this thread does not belong there.

And a belated welcome to BAUT!

To make your stay with us even more enjoyable, may I suggest clicking on this link? As others have already said, we are avowedly scientific in our approach (except here in OTBB!), and do not allow discussions of politics or religion (except in some, very narrow, ways).

It sort of sounds like the premise for the short-lived Tracker series. It wasn't bad, I certainly enjoyed it. But I suppose there wouldn't have been much of an audience for a romantic/sci-fi.

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Hi everyone,
Sorry if I caused a lot of confusion to you all by apparently posting in the wrong section. As I said I am a newbie to this stuff.
For this reason I think I will leave it to all of you better experienced people to argue.
You say that it is not allowable to post about politics or religion and I can understand where these two topics could cause long heated debate, but aren't they in themselves a science that would be able to verify or at least help verify other peoples theories.

And Lastly Thank You Moose. You were the only one to send a reply that was in any way helpful. I won't be writing again to this forum as I don't like the way it is run here. Oh and as far as I have to prove my theories but you don't have to prove existing systems....... Wake Up To Yourself, they are even questioning Einsteins theories now because someone was brave enough to oppose popular beleif and start looking into possibilities.
So when you all stop being hypocrites and actually take an open look at peoples ideas, then I might post here again, but I can't see it happening.

Not one of you offererd up even one reason as to why my idea couldn't be true, so I am going to let you all stay deluded rather than share any more of my time listening to why my idea wont work because I posted it in the wrong forum and because it goes against mainstream beleif.

Talk about no balls and no idea!
Adept710

Well thank you for explaining your position so clearly, adept710.

In this last post of yours, you violated a BAUT rule, on civility and decorum, so I have suspended your account, for a week.

If you choose to post here, after your suspension is over, please do be careful about not violating the rules (we do give newbies some slack, but we also expect that you will learn that we do take our rules seriously).

Well, if you are still reading this, did you notice my sig? If I say I have an invisible elf, why wouldn't I also have the burden of proof? Again, I think you really need to learn a bit about the process of science. It certainly would help you in science fiction writing. Even when you bend the rules, it is important to know them.

Who said it couldn't be true? Who said it couldn't work? I said it was completely unsupported, and you agreed.

Nice attitude there. You would do better to read what people actually wrote.

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Sorry, but for what it's worth, yes they did. It's an interesting story premise (which has been done before, somewhat), but there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest that it may be happening in reality.

You have to remember that the burden of proof does not lie with us to try and disprove whatever you imagine. That simply isn't reasonable (and unfair). If you want anybody (including yourself) to believe that your idea might be the truth, you have to come up with evidence that it could be. Not necessarily you personally, but if you want to make the claim, the responsibility really is yours.

The first step, I think, is to demonstrate that aliens exist. Then we can start talking about seven species of aliens and what they do with their criminals.

In case you're curious, I hold religious claims to the same standard. Prove that god exists (just not in this forum, as partisan discussions are against the rules), then we can talk about his recommended diet plan.

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I have a theory

"It's a theory", he said gently, "in the sense it was written with a pencil".

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Actually, humans came from Venus after global warming there threatened them with extinction.

Evidence: We're doing it again.

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what coming from Venus?

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I thought only women were from Venus?

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We're causing global warming on earth while starting to explore Mars as a prelude to our next migration.

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perhaps we started on Mercury.

Perhaps we started on Pluto, and after recognizing that was not an officially recognized planet, we migrated sunward over the last 12.3 billion years.

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