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If null space was to work it would need to operate at very low energy levels. Perhaps in null space where distance is virtually non existant then a measure of frequency which has wavelength as one of its components would be vastly reduced. Then null space could act as a low energy conduit.
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I have been reading on this site for a few weeks now.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this well informed forum. To say that Null Space as a galaxy size energy vortex is not quite what I believe now. Suprisingly many of the ideas still work. Substitute worm hole like structures once formed by translocation of singularity for similar effect. Ultimately I think this is so far my best statement:- "So if we observed structures over a period of time if may appear that they are accelerating away from each other but on later observations appear to have moved closer together forming large structures." Like the dinosaur I am I gravitated back to the area I started at. Now to try and learn about GR. |
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[Now to try and learn about GR.]
Yes, this is the key, as you have partially seen in our other thread. In GR, if you are in for a pound, you MUST be in for the dollar, because ultimately GR winds up being about the extremes...Massive Black Holes and the Singularities. But the trick to figuring out the whole puzzle, that is, how the Universe works as a whole, is not starting with the whole universe. Why, because it is impossible to be able to figure out how the Darkness works until you 'know' how the Baryonic Matter gets here, or equivently, how the Light gets here. So, for me personally, the search started with... "How does the Matter get here"...Not with how did the universe start!!! Once you see that there can be an equivilent nucleoynthesis event comparable to BB, that is High energy GeV,Tev Radiation Burst (Naked Singualrity)>Cooling to form Electrons, and Protons>Dark Era and , more cooling to form Hydrogen/Helium>Dark Matter Galaxy, rotating HI waiting to start star formation> BCD>LSB>HSB... Then you can begin figuring out the Darkness, and the universe as a whole.
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Thank you so much indeed RussT.
This is what RussT helped me with. I have no idea about the big bang but certainly see a bit more clearly where galaxies are going. It is likely is that there is spatial thinning happening but occurring where it is least expected. The universe effectively removes matter from within galaxies. If a singularity translocates by making use of the wormhole effect to leave the event horizon and relocate elsewhere the most likely link is back to the point of origin. This means there is a singularity with an event horizon potentially in two places linked by a wormhole. This makes more sense as a wormhole is a transient structure that requires huge energy to open even a small aperture. How big would a wormhole need to be? Maybe only thread size. Would it stay open with the singularity fixed at one end only? If it did and the singularity translocated again could there be a three or more point link to one or more wormholes? There is a huge expenditure of energy to maintain the link, where does it go? Perhaps it energises all of space time evenly, our eleventh dimension. Barely noticeable within galaxies but it would radically change values in voids. As for a source of GRB what would happen if a wormhole burst or disconnected at one end? Perhaps a GRB discharge within our galaxy from a translocated black hole in its new galaxy. So the solution is to charge the whole of creation and take it back in from many connected wormholes. The singularities or their wormhole links in galaxies we see with an event horizon. Those in deep space just draw in all around them, similar effect to null space, just this looks like it could work. Cheers |
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The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing. It violates just about every logical construct short of 'creationism' [which many also find repulsive]. The observational evidence is both confounding and paradoxical no matter what model you attempt to apply. The BB model seems to be the 'best fit' solution, albeit has warts.
The cyclical universe is the most aesthetically appealing model. It avoids the need to explain a 'beginning', but, unfortunately, does not guarantee resurrection after each cycle. Advocating the infinite universe model is not unlike being appointed public defender for 'The Miracle on 49th Street' trial. The BB model is like the cockroach - repulsive, but hardy. |
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As far as I can tell, there should be no 'thinning', no diluting, "OF SPACE" by either Matter or DM going into the black holes or by space expanding in the voids. Quote:
From my GR and the Universe thread...So far I have only described where the [ 'Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] is 'flowing', 'leaking' "IN"...it is coming "IN" at all the Voids and therfore expanding 'space' inbetween the galaxy clusters. Quote:
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[How big would a wormhole need to be? Maybe only thread size.] Actually Planck size, coming right off of the ring singularity in the Massive Black Holes. Quote:
Einstein-Rosen Bridge. That is how 'space' is continually being added to the voids. Second, the only place the singularity is 'fixed', is in the 'bottom', 'center' 'depths' of the Massive Black Holes, which the worm hole is attached to, which sends the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] 'space', out of the universe it is in and makes the 'space' for the universe level above or below it. So 'our' Massive Black Holes send our baryonic matter, through the singularity and then through the worm hole to the universe level below ours. And, the Massive Black Holes in the Universe level 'above' ours, sends us, 'our' 'space'. Quote:
Our 'space' is made up of ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'], all of our space is a gravity field travelling at 'C'. Now, the word singularity is just a placeholder, a name, for 'what is really happening there'! So, once we know the event that is happening there, the singularity really goes away, and we can just say the event, which is the singularity. So, when 'our' 'space', which is pure gravity that does not interact with baryonic matter, is 'leaking in', in the middle of different Voids, it causes these gravity fields from the different Voids to 'meet', and with angular momentum causes a GRB (singularity), which makes a Massive Black Hole (size depends on the duration time of the GRB), and spews Gamma Radiation, that when it cools makes the electrons and protons (which get their mass from the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter']). which then makes the Hydrogen and Helium to start star formation sometime in the future. So the answer to Cougar's Bartender of how the universe works would simply be... The Singularities in Massive Black Holes make the Darkness (Gravity and "Space") and the GRB's(singularities) make the Light, the Galaxies (the stars, planets and stuff) (The Energy and the 3 forces: EM, Strong and Weak Nuclear). And of course, all of this is in a universe that is operating, according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of "AN OPEN SYSTEM"!!!
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Anyway. let's start here...[The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing.] If it can be explained, where it comes from, what it is, how it is made, and how it is a 'physical' part of the structure of our universe(s), then it is NOT a 'free lunch' or something from nothing. Quote:
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For 100 + years and with the advent of the Big Bang Theory, how the universe works, has been explored applying the Laws of Thermodynamics in a Closed System. The BBT says that everything that is contained in the universe was created at T= (choose a starting time), and maintains that all the laws of Thermodynamics MUST be applied accordingly. BUT, what "IF" the Universe is operating according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of an open system??? What if this statement... [Perhaps we have collectively missed the boat, putting us in the same boat as the 'experts'.]...really does apply? And what IF we really did this... [Let's try thinking outside the box and let the chips fall where they may.] If it could be shown...how baryonic matter is being created inside our 'space', and how the universe could be operating in an Open System, would that be at least worth exploring??? And then it could be shown how... Massive Black Holes are created How Galaxies really do form and evolve How GR and QFT can be Unified How 'space' gets here and what DM is It would still leave a whole lot of questions to be answered, but it would also answer some of the biggest questions in cosmology today. Shouldn't it at least be explored???
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Certainly this system looks exactly like a self propagating
loop with all ends connected. If it has any dynamics it would only be like a pulse. By looking at this it assumes no beginning and no end. Great I have successfully taken us back 100 years. From this I have no idea of how to kick start it nor for that matter how to end it. This is definitely not an open system, at best it is a bumpy one. |
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The problem I see is like trying to fill one bucket
with the contents of another equal size bucket. The BB orb that appears at the size of a grapefruit is like emptying one bucket in a single dump into the second. It is convenient because the ratio of grapefruit to exanded universe at 130,000 years is approx 1:10^^23. It allows a range of frequencies down to 10^^ -20 if Planck's 10^^ -43 is the lowest limit of wavelength. At the quantum level no part is expected to be calculated back to less than 10^^ -10 metres so that you get a fairly even universe and not something like a fishnet. What if the first bucket was emptied into the second in a controlled pouring action call it a jet. While zero point energy would detonate the universe in microseconds with an energy potential in magnitude order 10^^120. What if it couldn't exist beyond quantum size. So no cubic size no detonation. How long would it take to pour enough into our dimension until the first bucket was empty or the back pressure caused balance and stopped the flow. OK so the BB is like putting a detonator in an indestructible balloon. Bang it goes up and then the elasticity of the balloon pulls it all together again. How about the jet of 'energy' is more like spinning a wheel. It takes longer then goes around for ages before stopping. After all proton death is some 120 trillion years. |
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I appologise for taking us back to the pre bang universe,
but this is my last effort. A stucture that I know exists is the wormhole. Formed between charged plates in vacuum. Even though they have zero length they have the potential to connect two different points. So two ends, why not two ways to activate. The first create a charge sufficient to open an end by inflating it. The second have the outside potential at such a low level that it opens by being pulled open. That is a high charge and a low charge method of opening a wormhole. What if our pre universe was of such low potential that quantum level wormholes were sucked open. As space expanded slowly more room for more wormholes was available and our universe leaked into existance until balance was achieved. Perhaps the void had the charge to be the active end of the void end of the wormhole and at a point the potential energy stopped the formation of more wormholes. When balance was achieved the flow stopped. The wormholes responsible for slowly siphoning us into existance collapse when we are close in charge to the void. |
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[Certainly this system looks exactly like a self propagating loop with all ends connected.] NO, not all ends are connected. You simply do not understand Einstein-Rosen bridges, Massive Black Hole, or Singularity structure well enough yet. The 'leaking' into our Universe of the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'], 'space', is from the Massive Black Holes from "The Universe Level *ABOVE* Ours", that leaks it into our *Voids*....SO where it is leaking IN is NOT connected to 'Our" Massive black Holes where it is "LEAKING OUT"!!!
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[A stucture that I know exists is the wormhole.
Formed between charged plates in vacuum.] This is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge and the only way to form one of these, is... A Naked Singularity creating a Massive Black Hole (A Cosmic Black Hole), which is the only thing powerful enough...to keep (Continually) *Tunnelling* through the Fabric of Space/Time...down to the universe level below!
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