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Here we have Canberra, a logically designed city. It's impossible for anyone with any sense to get lost and so we often do. Currently I am in great Southern City One which is another planned city, one built without convicts, which is strange because despite the lack of criminals the other day someone stole my concrete frog.
In Japan the streets have no names and you can maintain your privacy merely by giving bad directions to your place. Personally, I think the Japanese method is best. That way if you have no friends you can just pretend that no one visits you because they can't find your where you live. |
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Most cities, at least out here, have one spot that's where you go from one direction to the other--where North Whatever St. turns into South Whatever Street--and East Something Else Lane becomes West Something Else Lane. Oddly enough, in Olympia, this is Division St. (Tacoma, too.) Back home, it's the corner of Fair Oaks and Colorado Blvd, which means the Rose Parade goes through the changeover point every year.
The thing I find a little confusing is that, in Olympia, it's not north, south, east, or west in the street name; it's SE, NE, SW, and NW. What's also fun is that a lot of the communities, especially as you get closer to Seattle, start overlapping. I'm not sure how they deal with numbered streets in that situation, though it seems they all have numbered streets.
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One thing about the numbering of streets is, how much does the terrain influence things? For example, I think in a city built in a desert, having straight streets is the logical thing to do, but if you live on an island there there is a single road that goes around the island, and then streets that go inland (but not all the way through, because there is a volcano), then doing it that way would be complicated, wouldn't it? Or what about a mountainous region where road sort of wind around to fit the terrain?
BTW, it's not entirely true that streets aren't named in Japan. The road that passes in front of my building has a name, but people don't use it in addresses. There are subdivisions, so your address is a town, followed by a neihborhood, followed by a block, followed by your place on the block. So addresses are things like Jimbocho 2-40-6 (my office's address). It does create problems, though, because Jimbocho 3 is not necessarily next to Jimbocho 2. Sometimes neighborhood 1 is west of neighborhood 2, but then neighborhood 3 is south of it, or something like that. In any case, big streets have names, but little ones don't necessarily. So we do say things like, "walk down Hakusan street and turn left when you get to the drugstore."
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DC has a "logical" plan with the Captiol being the center. However it has the same "quadrant" set up that Gillian described in Olympia. The streets going east-west are lettered (A, B, C, etc) and those north south are numbered (first and so on) with the diagonal avenues named after states (thank you Pierre). The quadrant designation is essential as addresses duplicate in each quadrant. Thus there is a corner of I and 8th in each. In SE that's the Marine barracks. It's just a corner in NW. Properly, the White House is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW. I once read somewhere that 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue SE is a garage in one of the not so nice areas of town. (edit, checking the map, its actually near Congrssional Cemetary just before the road goes over the Anacostia River).
Then there's Phoenix where all of the N-S streets are numbered in increasing sequence from Central Avenue. The kicker is that west of Central they are "Avenues" and east of Central they are "Streets" so you need to be specific when giving directions. It's not so bad if someone goes to 3rd St when they wanted 3rd Ave, but the distance between 75th St and 75th Ave is somewhat greater.
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Boston's streets developed from cow paths, and have all the logical regularity thereof.
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VT has a lot of winding roads that follow rivers and terrain. Burlington is fairly regular, but since it is perched on and around a hill, city planners had to get crafty with streets going downhill. There is a N to S distinction when you hit Pearl Street. South Willard becomes North Willard and such. Sometimes the N and S streets aren't exactly parallel with each other, either. In the older towns you have a lot of very windy streets that looped around buildings. I'm quite fond of VT's hilly and curvy roads, very fun to drive down.
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We've got hills and curves and things here, too--heck, down the hill from my house, we've got a big saltwater lake.
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Having driven through SLC a few times from the airport, I deem it to be the most perfectly laid out street system in the known universe. SLC residents know better than to believe those silly signs - like one way. Only tourists fall for that nonsense. Boston is much more sensibly laid out. Even taxi drivers have rosaries hanging from their rear view mirrors.
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The center of Cleveland is somewhat logical, with east and west numbered streets (East 9th, West 25th), but the streets that go from East to West are named and of no logic. There are also a lot of streets, particularly away from the city, named for the towns they connected, such as Kirtland-Chardon Road and SOM Center Road (Solon-Orange-Mayfield Center). One problem is that the shoreline of Lake Erie doesn't go east-west, but more like Northeast-Southwest, so it complicates things. Some east-west roads follow the shoreline, some go truely east-west. So there are places where two east-west roads intersect each other at almost right angles.
The strangest is New Orleans. People talk about the East Bank and the West Bank of the Mississippi River. But at New Orleans the river is going more East-west and the East Bank is actually north and the West is south. With the twists of the river, there are actually places where the "East" Bank is west of the "West" Bank.
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Hey, what? You mean there are cities that were designed?
Most older cities in Europe started to grow up before land transport was a sensible option: London, Newcastle, Glasgow, Bristol, York, Liverpool (not to mention Paris, Berlin, Budapest, Pisa, Florence, Prague etc.) all focus on rivers. The "streets" developed from lanes and alleyways between buildings. If the city has a focal point (such as the mediaeval cathedral in York), you tend to get a radial arrangement, but only to a limited extent. Planning never really entered into it. How strange it must be to live or work in a city where all the streets look the same (oh, wait, that's Milton Keynes!). Maybe that's why people get lost so easily?
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The layout of DC's streets is logical...
from a satellite photo. Lets see someone in a car try to navigate it and arrive with their sanity intact. I'll send flowers to your padded cell. After the Alfred Murrah building was hit, they rerouted traffic to close down part of Pennsylvania Avenue near the White House, changing traffic flows, reversing some one way streets, along with some other nonsense, and that about gummed the works but good. I've been to DC a few times since then, but I usually ask for a pistol and a single bullet in exchange for any required road trips downtown. Pity me that no one's taken me up on the offer... |
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It's almost impossible to get lost in Las Vegas, as the city is a grid with a huge tower stuck right in the middle of it. So long as you have a compass, you always know where you are in relation to the tower.
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Well, it's not as bad as it sounds in DC. For instance, the SW quadrant barely exists. It's sort of like Chicago. The joke there is that the East side of Chicago is Lake Michigan since the baseline (State St. I believe) is only a few blocks from there. For the locals, giving the quadrant in DC starts to come naturally. Also, for some areas it's obvious. If you agree to meet someone in Georgetown, you both know it's NW. As for driving there, I have to agree with Doodler. I avoid driving in the District whenever I can. Too many one-way streets, no left turns, and traffic circles for my taste.
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