Can it actually be here?

What's really wierd is that, in the link above,the inset picture of the Windows logo has a passing resemblance to a swastika.

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I'm not in any big hurry to upgrade to Vista. While the increased security sounds good, a lot of the other features sound like little more than processor-sucking eye candy. I'll have to upgrade my existing system (RAM and graphics card) to run Vista and frankly, I don't see much point. I didn't buy my computer to run an OS, I bought it to do the things I need.

Ever heard of a heat sink? Windows is a CPU sink. No matter how much RAM, hard drive, and processor resources you throw at it, the next version will slow the system so that it resembles an 8 MHz 80286 running DOS.

I'm sure the virus/trojan/spyware writers are already hard at work.

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I for one will wait with upgrading as I like the current performance of my system. Apart from an Office toolbar that just won't start up OK.

Notice how Microsoft Flight Simulator X requires far more system specs (especially RAM) when running Vista compared to XP.

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I know of some businesses that won't upgrade to a new OS until service pack 1 is released. SP1 usually corrects many flaws that got past beta testing.

Personally, I think the computer hardware manufacturers should line up in a public square and take turns kissing Bill Gate's a**. Every new version of Windows requires massive increases in CPU, graphics, and hard drive capability. It seems no one's existing hardware is suitable for running the new OS version, so people feel the need to upgrade. In the end, you have the visible performance that's not much better than an 8 MHz 286.

I feel your pain. (See my sig below.) There are alternatives such as various distributions of Linux, the various BSD's, or even the Macintosh. If you are more adventurous and don't have to have the latest 3-D shoot'em-up, you could also try OS/2 (now marketed as eComStation (eCS)). I run OS/2 and eCS on my machines. Another adventurous choice is BeOS (if you can find release 5 anywhere), or one of the projects attempting to resurrect BeOS, such as Zeta and Haiku.

The only Micro$loth product I "buy" is the OS2Win component of OS/2 / eCS, and that's indirectly since it is a specially modified version licensed by IBM that runs under OS/2. (I still run some Windows 3.1 programs.)

Edited to add: The best way to avoid buying a new computer with Micro$lop on it is to buy from a local dealer that assembles PCs to order, rather than one of the chain electronics stores. The money that you save on Windoze and the other shovelware that gets pre-installed can be put to better use on more RAM, which is always useful no matter what operating system you finally choose.

BTW, CompUSA has a "service" where they will charge about $30 for removing the shovelware they installed that you don't want. What a country!

Edited one more time to add: "Just say 'Hasta la Vista' to Microsoft!" (Mmmm, maybe I should add that to my sig )

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I'm holding off on Vista, there are some rather juicy things in it's EULA.

You are only allowed two installations per purchase. That doesn't mean two at once, that means two total.

It limits how security companies can test their products on it, which means that their security will be worse, which means that you have to rely on Microsoft to keep it secure.

It has other stuff about what bad things people are allowed to say about it, etc.

Aside from that, the system requirements are obscene, you'll be hard pressed to find even modern games that have minimum specs as high as Vista's.

All in all it seems like a horrible idea for an upgrade, and I'll be staying away from it.

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Heh. That's funny. I had only read that recently and was sure they would be forced to change it. And guess what, from:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list

Microsoft has changed the retail license terms for Vista so that customers now may uninstall the OS from one machine and install it on another as many times as they want, the company said Thursday. The new terms do away with limitations on how many new devices to which the license can be transferred.

However, to continue to discourage piracy, Microsoft has worded the license so that it is clear that users cannot "share this license between devices."

There's no way that could have survived. I've had several times where upgrades caused Windows XP to decide I had a new machine, and require reauthorization. Then there were the times I needed to reinstall for other reasons.

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I won't be switching to Vista anytime soon. I did install the beta when it came out, and wasn't too thrilled with it. I'll still with XP for now, until Apple decides to release OSX onto the generic PC platform. I'm running Core 2 Duo, so...

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Well said!!! Once you have a working cup of coffee, why invest in a bigger
cup, bigger foot print etc etc. Frankly, at this point, I'd settle for my old commodore 64 if it ran at 800mz. There was never any threat of a virus with that. All it needed was a simple hard drive and a bigger monitor.
Upgrade to vista? fraid not. They beat you up with hardware demands,
upgrades and memory requirements. Phooey....an archaic word for *^%$&^%!!!!...em .

I've configured XP to 98 style, unless I wanted a new option. Of course it's still heavier than 98, but also far more stable. Though 98SE was one rather fine OS (98 original was rubbish imo). With these settings, XP doesn't eat away too much of my resources. I haven't got system restore on as I heard it would eat a lot. Is that true?

Now if only I couldsolve my office toolbar issue, things would be really fine on that PC. Except for xp making a pile of random dirt of your hard drive. All users = administrator = Nicolas but still XP sees them as 3 users, with files randomly spread between them. Thanks, XP... I managed to get rid of the login screen because I'm the only user, but that's about it for getting around that multi user architecture.

Also my PC takes minutes to boot, BUT that's not due to slow booting itself, jsut because the building network takes minutes to log on to. Other than that, the PC is quite a fast booter, though it has a bit too much software on it now, and of crouse all these antivir/spyware things cost some boot time. So does loading over 300MB of MIDI soundfontbanks into my RAM .

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Got that beat: 333 MHz, Win 98...



And if you're really in for a good laugh: I've been working in IT for 7 years now...

Forget about "Dear Santa...", this year I'll be waiting for him at the chimney with this basket of eggs I got from the Easter Bunny...

You can overclock that to over 350 if you've got a nice mobo

I've had a 266 running at 333 IIRC. Of course you need to have the luck of having a processor coming from a mighty fine batch if you want to pul that off stable.

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Unless it's a celeron. Then you can feel free to OC it to 5 ghz They were over-clocking beasts.

I'm feeling no need to upgrade to Vista, simply because most of what makes Vista different will be offered to XP users as downloads, including Aero, etc... Plus the fact that, as mentioned above, I've learned to never buy a MS OS until the first Service Pack.

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Thanks for the tip, but there's enough time dilations on this forum already...

Besides, then I wouldn't be able to beat it at chess...

This reminds me of the Steven Wright bit:

"This morning, I put instant cofee into a microwave oven, and almost went back in time..."

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"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

I doubt you can set a mobo setting combi allowing a 333 to go much faster than 450 . The 233 I had (now I remember the speed ) could by mobo settings be clocked to something like 333, but anything above 300 made the processor being recognized as a 233 again. It was slightly more instable when overclocked to 300, but also quite a bit faster .

Were Celerons that good at overclocking? That amazes me, they were the low-end processors. Maybe it was becasue they normally ran far too relaxed compared to what they were capable of?

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